AMD Radeon HD 6870 and HD 6850 confirmed to be launched on 22.10.2010

[Eagleclaw]

To add to this, do you think a lot of 5870 owners (who almost certainly had a little tech skill to install the card in the first place) are going to just go out blindly and grab a 6870 that is ~$100 cheaper and think it's going to be WAY faster?

Sorry I just can't imagine this happening to any extent.

A handful?

If one is that ignorant of what they buy, then they deserve it. Do you think that your average Joe buys discrete cards just randomly by looking at the packaging and the cards name only? Some may do, but they're definitely a minority. Let alone how many of those are actually HD 5000-series owners.

And some people have guts to call this a renaming.

[Svnth]

To add to this, do you think a lot of 5870 owners (who almost certainly had a little tech skill to install the card in the first place) are going to just go out blindly and grab a 6870 that is ~$100 cheaper and think it's going to be WAY faster?

Sorry I just can't imagine this happening to any extent.

I find it funny how when it's NVIDIA most people scream at the top of their lungs for protecting random consumers who will not be informed. When it's AMD who might be possibly confusing consumers it's perfectly acceptable, and the burden should be on the consumer, and it's their fault.

[Eagleclaw]

Like I said........We don't know yet do we?

edit: It's funny how now days people can't take responsibility for there own actions. I don't give a crap what Nvidia has pulled in the past
and I have never ripped them for anything (in fact I have had Nvidia cards for years and liked them).

But all this feel sorry for the consumer buying something or being duped into buying something doesn't fly with me.

It's like buying "insert and product" and not taking the time to ask someone or read an article well you would make the wrong purchase anyway.

And this is anyone's fault but the consumer? RIGHT!

I find it funny how when it's NVIDIA most people scream at the top of their lungs for protecting random consumers who will not be informed. When it's AMD who might be possibly confusing consumers it's perfectly acceptable, and the burden should be on the consumer, and it's their fault.

[ripken204]

I find it funny how when it's NVIDIA most people scream at the top of their lungs for protecting random consumers who will not be informed. When it's AMD who might be possibly confusing consumers it's perfectly acceptable, and the burden should be on the consumer, and it's their fault.

+1

either that or you guys underestimate how stupid people really are.
get away from a computer every now and then and you will be amazed.

[Eagleclaw]

Sure everyone has there moments and no one can know every product they purchase.

But really do you think that someone who was smart enough to purchase and install a 5870 in the first place is going to be dumb enough to buy a 6870 as a sidegrade seeing the price is cheaper and think it's WAY faster?

+1

either that or you guys underestimate how stupid people really are.
get away from a computer every now and then and you will be amazed.

[ripken204]

Sure everyone has there moments and no one can know every product they purchase.

But really do you think that someone who was smart enough to purchase and install a 5870 in the first place is going to be dumb enough to buy a 6870 as a sidegrade seeing the price is cheaper and think it's WAY faster?

there will be a lot of people who do that research and pick the product they really wanted but there will also be plenty of people who will go based on model numbers. assuming that EVERYONE who buys any piece of hardware will ALWAYS go and research it into depth to see how it compares to previous generations is just not right.

[Eagleclaw]

I understand your point but if they go by model number they would first have to know what a 5870 is, if they know that your saying they won't know what a 6870 is?

If they don't know what a 5870 is then they don't have one and wouldn't be sidegrading, if the 6870 is a descent card at a descent price and they buy it
I wouldn't think they would be complaining about it.

there will be a lot of people who do that research and pick the product they really wanted but there will also be plenty of people who will go based on model numbers. assuming that EVERYONE who buys any piece of hardware will ALWAYS go and research it into depth to see how it compares to previous generations is just not right.

[Dimitriman]

there will be a lot of people who do that research and pick the product they really wanted but there will also be plenty of people who will go based on model numbers. assuming that EVERYONE who buys any piece of hardware will ALWAYS go and research it into depth to see how it compares to previous generations is just not right.

you do realize this discussion is only valid in the time between barts and cayman launch right? so just about one month for somone to make that mistake since afterwards 6970 will be out for 350$ and any doubts as to which is the true top dog will be over.
please get over the naming scheme change. it was done so amd can acomodate all its discrete line as well as fusion line under one codename range. by december all confusion will be over. price is the segment, not name.

[Hell Hound]

So we should expect a 6990 for $450-$500 then.Sounds great actually,faster and $100 cheaper than a 5970.

[MrMojoZ]

+1

either that or you guys underestimate how stupid people really are.
get away from a computer every now and then and you will be amazed.

Nah, I can see it clearly in posts on this forum. Anyone who thinks new model numbers for new parts is the same as just renaming the same parts for example.

[cegras]

I find it funny how when it's NVIDIA most people scream at the top of their lungs for protecting random consumers who will not be informed. When it's AMD who might be possibly confusing consumers it's perfectly acceptable, and the burden should be on the consumer, and it's their fault.

How is this confusing customers? If you didn't know what core went into the naming bracket then your ONLY valid complaint (and indeed even now it is the only valid complaint) is that the 6870 is not shaping up for much of a boost over the 5870.

If ATI's 4 number naming policy still holds true, the 6870 and 6850 will still give 'enthusiast' class performance while the 69xx provide flagship performance. Although this is relative, based upon the assumption that the 6870 will perform better than the 5870, it's still true.

This is entirely different from nvidia, that actually took a chip from a previous generation and positioned it in the new one with nothing but a new name. ATI's supposed dicey business with renaming the 57xx to 67xx is exactly the sort of thing we didn't like nvidia doing, and that's bad.