New rumor about ATI Southern Islands

[SKYMTL]

early drivers also, expect a 20% increase over time.
then the naming scheme as far we know fits and works.

Please don't talk about this again.

Single card performance increases are VERY RARE in ATI's drivers. Their performance additions usually concentrate upon dual card / GPU setups.

People always expect magic to happen with driver revisions but for existing games, that almost never happens.

[Oliverda]

Please don't talk about this again.

Single card performance increases are VERY RARE in ATI's drivers. Their performance additions usually concentrate upon dual card / GPU setups.

People always expect magic to happen with driver revisions but for existing games, that almost never happens.

These reviews show something different.

[Tim]

These reviews show something different.

Actually that confirms what he said. If you go to high quality AA+AF there is no difference, sometimes even worse performance.

Anyway, AMD's naming scheme just gets more and more confusing.

[Oliverda]

Actually that confirms what he said. If you go to high quality AA+AF there is no difference, sometimes even worse performance.

Anyway, AMD's naming scheme just gets more and more confusing.

link

really?

[Calmatory]

Single card performance increases are VERY RARE in Nvidia's drivers..

Fixed the bias. We're even now.

[flopper]

Please don't talk about this again.

Single card performance increases are VERY RARE in ATI's drivers. Their performance additions usually concentrate upon dual card / GPU setups.

People always expect magic to happen with driver revisions but for existing games, that almost never happens.

I guess 50% increase in avp min fps is a coincident then?
Pure luck?
so we see a zero to 50% depending on game from early drivers to mature drivers.

I think you should shut up and stop telling people what to do on forums.

[SKYMTL]

I guess 50% increase in avp min fps is a coincident then?
Pure luck?
so we see a zero to 50% depending on game from early drivers to mature drivers.

I think you should shut up and stop telling people what to do on forums.

Bull shyte.

Yes, there are some performance increases that come along every now and then through driver changes but most of these are for games which weren't released yet when the original release drivers were used. Naturally, driver teams can't build in optimizations for games that haven't been released yet which is why there are sometimes large performance jumps soon after a game is released. But in my experience, most of the EXISTING games very rarely see performance bumps through subsequent drivers unless there was something wrong to begin with.

Many performance increases have NEXT TO NOTHING to do with drivers and EVERYTHING to do with the game engine undergoing SIGNIFICANT efficiency changes through patches. Dirt 2 & AVP:

[tajoh111]

I guess 50% increase in avp min fps is a coincident then?
Pure luck?
so we see a zero to 50% depending on game from early drivers to mature drivers.

I think you should shut up and stop telling people what to do on forums.

20% figure as an average is impossible. Its closed to possible with a brand new architecture. Something like 50% only occurs when their are issues to begin with. Fermi is performing somewhere around 8% better and it is a brand spanking new architecture.

When techpower tested between launch drivers and 10.4 catalyst(the one that almost got wizzard to quit). There was only a 2 percent improvement. A complete average 20% is pretty much crazy impossible. I was saying 20% improvement with drivers for the GTX 480, and people were saying that was too high. I agree now, even with a new architecture, its hard to get that much of an improvement.

Considering that this architecture is all about making the cypress and older architecture and is heavily based on it, it should be really efficient from the get go.

Where did you get this 50% figure from, I would like to see it. I have never heard of such improvements outside crossfire or a freaky issue or a flaw which decreases image quality.

Try to thing that from an average consumers perspective. They barely know that HD58xx might be faster than HD 57xx. "Oh sweet new generation, and cheap" -> disappointment.

Or they pass on a good deal on a 5870 or 5850. Such a crappy naming scheme also really hurts the reselling of used cards. A $259 dollar 6870, makes it look like a 5870 has to be priced around 150 or so to be priced properly, even though it is the faster card.


If they think scheduling

[SKYMTL]

I was saying 15% improvement with drivers for the GTX 480, and people were saying that was too high.

Even that is high IMO. NVIDIA may have packed some increases into their latest driver stack but very few (if any) of them were geared towards the higher end cards. There were some issues with the GTX 460 performance which they addressed but otherwise, things once again stayed pretty much par for the course across the board.

I have yet to see a single driver release from NVIDIA OR ATI bring across-the-board, measurable improvements. The latest one from NVIDIA targeted 1920 / 4x AA performance on the GTX 460 which was admitedly lacking to begin with. The same goes for ATI's Catalyst App Profiles; they usually target very specific categories since overall performance was good to begin with.

20% across the board improvement to performance through drivers for existing games? No way. 20% in games that WEREN'T released when the architecture came out? It's possible.

[Tim]

That naming change just doesn't make any sense. It confused me for a minute, and I've seen generation after generation. Must be confusing for the average Joe....

So are they launching a new high end as well? Or just midrange cards?

[Shadov]

Please don't talk about this again.

Single card performance increases are VERY RARE in ATI's drivers. Their performance additions usually concentrate upon dual card / GPU setups.

People always expect magic to happen with driver revisions but for existing games, that almost never happens.

Arent you a bit biased towards ATI with that statement?

I have seen many reviews and AMD official materials which prove otherwise.

[jazkat]

Arent you a bit biased towards ATI with that statement?

I have seen many reviews and AMD official materials which prove otherwise.

thats cos he on nvidia payroll i think jen slips him a few $$$$