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    Hi' everybody.

    Sure is a lot going on here today based on half truth's, hear-says, and what is worse .

    Since this matter has the chance of turning into a hot political potatoo, Chip-con ApS will only be sending out official statements, which are verifiable and signed by our CEO Morten Espersen. This is to avoid adding further confusion to the matter.

    Please find enclosed the first such statement here below:

    I will not be able to elaborate on this, but will most certainly be monitoring the forums, to relay back any further legitimate concerns you may have. I will not react on any wild accusations, slander and the likes, so please keep posts on topic and refrain from any irelevant or uncalled for outbursts.

    Also please note, that since we need to be absolutely certain that everything we present here will hold in every aspect, it can take a bit of time, before we can present an official answer, as we need to be sure we have all relevant documents to carry it through.

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    Based on the current scenario from the local news in Northern Jylland, now spread worldwide on the Internet, we find it imperative to state a few facts.

    The purpose of EU development funding is to promote that development of innovative ideas take place within the EU like similar programs in other regions of the world.

    First of all it can be stated that Chip-con ApS already in the initial stages of applying for development funding thoroughly informed about the existence of other compressor-based cooling solutions for PC’s.

    Therefore the involved authorities initiated a third party investigation on their own initiative. Chip-con ApS had no prior knowledge of the consultant performing this job.
    His task was to investigate if there was a substantial difference between the technologies involved.

    His conclusion was that this was indeed the case, and his investigation can now be proved by the fact that the international patent authorities find the patent application from Chip-con ApS contains both sufficient news value, level of innovation and industrial application to justify a patent.

    On the other hand the same authorities do not find the patent application from Asetek to contain sufficient innovation level to justify a patent.

    It has been impossible to avoid competing with Asetek as they have subsequently changed their marketing strategy, and therefore this does not affect the funding.

    There is no reason to believe that Chip-con ApS should pay back any funding.
    Chip-con ApS fulfilled the conditions for receiving the EU funding and has complied with all demands set forth.

    The fact is that Asetek A/S accuses the authorities, the authorities is not accusing Chip-con ApS, and has forwarded no claims towards the company.

    It is crystal clear to us, that Asetek A/S does not want to co-exist with Chip-con ApS, and they clearly don’t want to compete against our technology.

    Even in the unlikely event that Chip-con ApS should pay back the funding please consider that Elcold Denmark ApS (a large manufacturer of freezers) is now a major shareholder in the company.

    The speculation that repaying EU funding should affect Chip-con ApS at this point is ridicules – the amount of money received from the EU program is no more than 70.000 US$ (equal to minor acquisitions, ladies and gentlemen .

    Best Regards.
    Morten Espersen, CEO

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    At last something that makes sense! Thanks for setting the record straight! Please continue to update us.
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    It's nice to have the official word from Chip Con. I've been thinking about the supposed overlap between the vapochill and Prometeia. The Prometeia is clearly aimed at the eXtreme overclocker. Asetek has openly admitted that they have no interest in pushing to the extreme temperatures the Prometeia provides. Check out Asetek's comments in the vapochill forum as well as a recent thread on [H]ardOCP that Asetek was involved in. Asetek's introduction of the "Premium" vapochill has moved their performance closer to the Prometeia, but that product was announced long after the Prometeia. I check the vapochill forum on a regular basis and, based on Asetek's comments in the past, I was surprised when they introduced the higher performance vapochill. In the past they've stated that they couldn't see any need to push performance past what the standard vapochill provided. Bottom line, the Prometeia targets a performance level that Asetek previously publically stated that they weren't interested in providing.
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    Now that's EXACTLY what we were hoping to hear... cheers steen!

    Oh yeah... and WELCOME TO XTREME!

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    Lets not start an argument of this kind in here... these are issues between Asetek, the funders and Chip-con... not particularly suitable for a public airing...

    And whether your loaded or not, if you can get funding from external sources that means you don't have to dip into your own pocket, you don't exactly say no do ya!

    I know the figures I work in aren't quite the sizes we're talking here, but I know it only takes £4000 to put on my Music Festival... I still get additional funding to make it up to £12000 just because I can. We just pump it back into the festival to make it better... and we do this on an annual basis and have done for 12 years or so now...

    I have noticed that the Vapochill was originally aimed at corporate customers, and only recently have taken off in the retail market on a "less-than-underground" level... so perhaps they have changed their strategies since the issue with the consultant took place...

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    Welcome to Xtreme Steen

    How did you like MrIcee's Prometeia Review??
    Damn fine review

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    sweet Steen, as an early adopter of your excellent product this is music to my ears....

    Hope it all blows over soon
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    Here's one for you Steen, this should put some Buyers at ease. How about giveing Us a ETA for the units that are being shipped to Xtreme Tek Werkz??

    Thanks,
    OPP

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    Originally posted by OPPAINTER
    Here's one for you Steen, this should put some Buyers at ease. How about giveing Us a ETA for the units that are being shipped to Xtreme Tek Werkz??

    Thanks,
    OPP
    Right on!

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    Here ya go OPP:

    Dear Dale:

    We have received official written information from Chip-Con concerning the initial shipment to the United States.

    All units destined for distribution by United States distributors are still in transit and scheduled to enter United States Customs on the 28th of October 2002.

    The units destined for Xtreme Tek Werkz is scheduled to arrive at our facility no later than November the 6th.

    We will attempt to send out all pre-ordered and paid units on the 6th if the shipment arrives in the morning or before the United Parcel Service office closes before 6:00 PM.

    We greatly appreciate your patience,

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    First of all thank you very much for the "warm" (pun intended)welcome here, including all the nice ones too

    I will refrain from entering any public back and forth agumentation here, and only post more on this issue if absolutely unavoidable.

    I must admit I found that review avesome, and extraordinary thorough. Obviously a very labour intensive affair, it must have costed some nights sleep to cover all that.
    My complements to Mr. Icee, and appologies for us beating his famous "Mean-machine heavy weight super cooler"

    On the issue of ETA, I am not the right guy to ask, as I don't have all the up-to-date details.

    I know that they have been sent out some time ago now (for all dealers I believe), so it could only be a matter of days before they clear customs or reach their final destinations.

    Mind you, you never can predict customs clearance matters, so don't hold your breath while waiting, OK

    The next larger load is being packed at the moment, and expected to leave shortly now .

    Cheers
    Steen.
    Last edited by Its-Freezing; 10-23-2002 at 04:16 PM.

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    Steen:

    Very nice to see you here and I and the rest of us here hope you stay around and answer some technical questions we may have. I have a feeling this forum will have the largest number of Prometeia users very soon.

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    Indeed, it appears alot of members of this forum has preordered a Prometeia. I wonder how many have preordered one or more!

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    Welcome to Xtreme Systems Forums my friend Steen.


    I consider Steen and the rest of the Chip-con team one the best support teams I ever deal in this business. They help me a lot in the past when I have some problems with my Prometeia (even send me mails after dinner or in the weekends, clearly exceeding their professional obligations).

    I'm glad that the Chip-con CEO made an explanation about the rumours... the possible explanation at this time, I admit.

    I think this is typical case of EU politics, unfortunately very usual in these days in all European countries.

    These kinds of rumours are not good for any company, specially a company like Chip-con that rely of user’s confidence in future developments and support.

    So let us all help Chip-con by not to dramatize this problem.

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    Steen

    Welcome to the forums my friend

    I would also like to say thank you for the very kind words, but I want everyone to know, that Steen was incredibly helpful to me in the final stages of the review, especially the insite and tips he provided as I learned to use Front Page and write my review at the same time. I indeed had some late nights...and so did Steen pointing out Front Page fixes and grammatical errors.

    My hats off to you for joining our forum to come and address this thread I have sat by while hoping to hear some facts to disperse the sometimes fiction, stretched truth and half truths.

    This whole thing has turned into the proverbial "small town" gossip merry-go-round, it's great to finally hear the facts from the horses mouth. Keep up the great work Steen and please stop in anytime my friend
    Best Regards,

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    Originally posted by DaGoochMeister
    Steen:

    Very nice to see you here and I and the rest of us here hope you stay around and answer some technical questions we may have. I have a feeling this forum will have the largest number of Prometeia users very soon.
    It might be interesting to start another thread and see who's got one on order or already has one. From this thread I know that TheDude has one on order in addition to myself. I'm sure there's others. MrIcee and OPP already have them, as do many (most) of the regulars here from Europe.
    Last edited by bmg; 10-23-2002 at 07:58 PM.

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    Steen,

    Welcome to Xtreme

    Thanks for coming to our forums and clearing these things up, we really appreciate it
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    Lo me again ,
    hmm I'm not quite getting this. Maybe someone can help me?
    Chip-con pops in for one posting and it's all cleared up. Ask yourself this, if it's not true in any way, then why is the Dk media so interested?
    Why is there another report from the EU pending?
    I don't get why one post of "no Gov we never, we're striaght down the line" has cleared the whole thing up.
    Sounds sooooooooooooooooooooo bais in here. I got no problem with it but it's not objective now is it?


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    Originally posted by Bulldog20
    Lo me again ,
    hmm I'm not quite getting this. Maybe someone can help me?
    Chip-con pops in for one posting and it's all cleared up. Ask yourself this, if it's not true in any way, then why is the Dk media so interested?
    Why is there another report from the EU pending?
    I don't get why one post of "no Gov we never, we're striaght down the line" has cleared the whole thing up.
    Sounds sooooooooooooooooooooo bais in here. I got no problem with it but it's not objective now is it?


    Cheers
    Your pushing some fighting words there Bulldog
    Tell you what, you really want to some some action, have the Vapo guys drop by. They will recieve the same warm (pun intended) welcome that chip-con got.
    Alls fair in love and war

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    Cos what they've said is more or less right. The problem is between Asetek and the funders apparently, and has nothing to do with Chip-Con. All we care about is that Chip-Con stay open cos we like their product. We know Vapochill n Asetek aren't going anywhere (as in gonna close), and needed confirmation of the same from Chip-con... so that's most of our interest in the case cleared up. We don't care about the DK Media's interest or EU reports... as I said, these are only of any relevance to asetek and the funders and chip-con... not us. All we needed to know was supplies of the product wouldn't be affected.
    The papers will do anything if it promotes the EU funding programs, they always have done, cos it makes the EU committee look better.... in the same light they'll do the same if it goes against the EU... that's where the media interest lies....
    Last edited by Marci; 10-24-2002 at 08:12 AM.

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    Actually I think its not that biased, its just kinda that ..... well we dont give a damn about political öööö. Its pretty obvious that even in the worst case scenario chip-con wont have too much trouble with this. About the rest I cant say I really care ...... and the Danish media is not thÃ:banana:t interested, its not on any front page in huge letters is it? BTW I've been to Denmark personally and I can imagine running a paper there you're either going to end up with a thin paper or you need to write about every small detail including dogs or sheep getting run over somewhere. Its not the worlds most exciting country you know

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    Originally posted by OPPAINTER
    Your pushing some fighting words there Bulldog
    Tell you what, you really want to some some action, have the Vapo guys drop by. They will recieve the same warm (pun intended) welcome that chip-con got.
    Alls fair in love and war

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    No m8, maybe it seems that way cos I'm english

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    Last edited by Bulldog20; 10-24-2002 at 08:23 AM.

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    Originally posted by JCviggen
    Actually I think its not that biased, its just kinda that ..... well we dont give a damn about political öööö. Its pretty obvious that even in the worst case scenario chip-con wont have too much trouble with this. About the rest I cant say I really care ...... and the Danish media is not thÃ:banana:t interested, its not on any front page in huge letters is it? BTW I've been to Denmark personally and I can imagine running a paper there you're either going to end up with a thin paper or you need to write about every small detail including dogs or sheep getting run over somewhere. Its not the worlds most exciting country you know
    your here dude, so you must care, you softee you
    I thought DK media was like say the BBC here?

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    Originally posted by Marci
    Cos what they've said is more or less right. The problem is between Asetek and the funders apparently, and has nothing to do with Chip-Con. All we care about is that Chip-Con stay open cos we like their product. We know Vapochill n Asetek aren't going anywhere (as in gonna close), and needed confirmation of the same from Chip-con... so that's most of our interest in the case cleared up. We don't care about the DK Media's interest or EU reports... as I said, these are only of any relevance to asetek and the funders and chip-con... not us. All we needed to know was supplies of the product wouldn't be affected.
    The papers will do anything if it promotes the EU funding programs, they always have done, cos it makes the EU committee look better.... in the same light they'll do the same if it goes against the EU... that's where the media interest lies....
    Don't mean to be funny(see I'm learning ) but if they were and I'm not saying they are, in trouble. I really can't see them telling you, me or anyone, can you?

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    I think if they were in trouble they would not come here at all! Rather stay away and just let everyone wonder.
    Welcome to Steen and Bulldog20. Glad to have you both at Xtreme.

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