Geforce GTS 450 appears on shelves

[Nintendork]

GTS450 would be a better card if it was the third re-incarnation of G92 now done in 40nm + GDDR5. It's a more efficient arquitecture consumption wise.

[Monstru]

Wasn't GTS350 the 3rd G92 reincarnation?

The problem with this card is that Nvidia is trying to avoid the canibalization of it's own products. GTX460 is a succes, but also a pain in the butt for GTX 470, or for GTX 480 (when we have GTX460 SLI). Nvidia took more care in placing GTS 450, look at the 2 x GTS 450 vs GTX 470 numbers. A little bit more power for GTS 450 and nobody would even consider buyong a GTX 470 anymore, if they could have more power, less noise, less heat and a smaller price with 2 x GTS 450.

[bamtan2]

techreport and pcper reviewed the stock one and an oc one. neither found a significant power or performance difference between 450 and 5770. the 5770 lands right between the stock 450 and an overclocked 450. obviously not a coincidence.

techreport goes on to say that it is splitting hairs talking about $10 differences and framerate differences you cant perceive.

pcper says:

With retail prices at $129 for the standard models and adding another $10-20 for overclocked settings, the real competition for the GTS 450 has become the HD 5770... [with] the GTS 450 matching or beating out the HD 5770 in our entire suite of tests...

NVIDIA now has an option that can beat up on the Radeon HD 5750 while competing well with the HD 5770 for a few bucks less. I didn't see another slam dunk GPU offering like we did with the GeForce GTX 460 but NVIDIA did come pretty close with the GTS 450.

pick your poison I say. too bad the pofs is the better part of a year late.

[Monstru]

Honestly, between HD5750, GTS 450 and HD 5770 is just a matter of personal taste, they all have the same price/performance ratio.

[ajaidev]

Honestly, between HD5750, GTS 450 and HD 5770 is just a matter of personal taste, they all have the same price/performance ratio.

+1

and if you are willing live with the relatively higher power consumption of the GTS 450 "Factory OCed cards closer to the GTX 460 786MB and 5850's power consumption"

[spursindonesia]

LOL, bragging about price/performance out of a chip that is around 45% larger and less efficient powerwise compared to the competitor, isn't exactly all that impressive, especially when the said competitor is gonna be replaced in the next few months (Turk is gonna be even better in performance/watt & performance/die size metrics). While GTX 460 landed & hit right in ATi soft belly (something that i acknowledge and admire out of nVidia), this isn't the same case regarding GTS 450 (GF 106). This 240 mm^2 chip is facing & competing straight with ATi bread & butter in the mainstream segment, Juniper based HD 5770 & 5750, so i certainly expect a 166 mm^2 chip cards to give harder oppposition compared to what was offered by HD 5830 of yesterday. It's a decent chip that is long overdue, but whatever good efficiency gain that was claimed by GF 104 over GF 100 is lost yet again with this chip, no doubt about that.

[tajoh111]

5770, gts 450 are both horrible cards compared to the gtx 460. Considering you can find the 768mb version for 155 dollars, it really makes no sense to get either card.

The bandwidth appears to hurt this card big time though.

http://www.hardwarecanucks.com/forum...-review-4.html

The FTW edition only has 10% more bandwidth and it's causing a noticeable difference. Maybe the full gf106 with full ROP and 192MB memory controller would have made the card better competition for the 5770. It was priced right before the price drop of the 5770 but not now. And with the price drop of the gtx 460, neither card should even be considered.

[spursindonesia]

Yupz, it's a decent card, but really nothing to brag much about, just another nice option in the market & a good reason for prompting Juniper's cards price cut. Whenever stuff like this happens in the market, it always a good thing for us consumers, but bragging & praising too much out of a chip that does not deserve it (unlike the brilliant -for Fermi standard- GF 104), only shows exactly what colour you wear on your fanboy glasses.

[Calmatory]

No one has to consider die size, transistor count or how late a product is. It hardly has any meaning to the end user who spends his/her money on the product. Yes, one can think that "Man, it can't be good with 40 % bigger die size and transistor count, and being about a year late", but if the product delivers, what does it matter?

However, I find it somewhat strange that AMD doesn't even try to counter Nvidia in any way. They have bigger margins for sure and could have dropped the prices to a point where Nvidia couldn't really enter the market. Guess they are still selling all their stock as fast as they get new products in, so it would just hurt themselves.

[mAJORD]

Yupz, it's a decent card, but really nothing to brag much about, just another nice option in the market & a good reason for prompting Juniper's cards price cut. Whenever stuff like this happens in the market, it always a good thing for us consumers, but bragging & praising too much out of a chip that does not deserve it (unlike the brilliant -for Fermi standard- GF 104), only shows exactly what colour you wear on your fanboy glasses.

Unless i'm reading the reviews wrong, it's launching at the same mrsp as hd5770, but is slower (slightly) so ill dont thimk there'll be any juniper price cutting going on quite yet.

[tajoh111]

Unless i'm reading the reviews wrong, it's launching at the same mrsp as hd5770, but is slower (slightly) so ill dont thimk there'll be any juniper price cutting going on quite yet.

The price drop already happened. Used to be 159.

[Ejizz]

^^^
I thought that was mainly retailer gouging?

[mAJORD]

^^^
I thought that was mainly retailer gouging?

Just looked up launch pricing and it was $159. 5750 was $129

They've been lower than this for a while though I thought. Unlike 58xx pricing that went up

[SKYMTL]

Unless i'm reading the reviews wrong, it's launching at the same mrsp as hd5770, but is slower (slightly) so ill dont thimk there'll be any juniper price cutting going on quite yet.

Nope. SRP of the HD 5770 = $155. It is the cheapened "low cost" versions of the HD 5770 that are retailing for less than that.

[cowie]

I may be wrong here but the decent 5770 cards are going for more like 160ish on newegg.
not the low cost cut down pos's

[SKYMTL]

I may be wrong here but the decent 5770 cards are going for more like 160ish on newegg.
not the low cost cut down pos's

It depends. I usually look at the pre rebate prices on Newegg.

In the $139 - $149 range we have mostly non-reference cards that skimp on component quality. Case and point: the PowerColor PCS+ and Gigabyte's "Batman on steroids" series. There are some exceptions though with the Sapphire and ASUS cards.

$150+ brings a significant step forward in terms of quality but one thing is pretty apparent: nearly EVERY board partner has done away with the reference design in an effort to cut costs.