DFI users - want a GOOD BIOS???

[EvilouS]

I doubt he cares less about what happens over at AMDMB coz he's said it himself it's down in the dumps over there, I think it was rather over emotional about how he bailed out but then that's his business.
The way I see it if you wanna post a comparison on how bioses perform then go ahead after all, what are the real reasons we're doing this.

Overclockability
Stability
Performance

So comparisions are a by-product of this. I say d'load 'em, flash em, bench 'em, compare 'em, and post 'em.
The more the better at least we know how they're working for people. I haven't actually tried AdvModDev's bioses but I hear they're cooking - good for him.

What I'd like to know is what bioses are people using?

[megatron]

I am using 5/5 -1/31 AdmodDev cause he said 1/31 was a faster bios. I seem to be limited to 240fsb whichever bios and can generally use them all so I choose the fastest. I use 1333334 for the alpha timings since I heard someone say this was good. Its stable and although 3dmark is down a touch (from the cmparison I made) the sandra mem benches are up 10 points for float and interger.

I do seem to get crashes in one of the new maps of the CBMP for UT2004. This onslaught map, I am using my 2 * 256Mb sticks and sometimes the game stops and the harddrive is whirring like mad but then the game crashes. I reckon putting in my 1Gig would solve the problem but I can do cpc with that at 240fsb.

[AdvModDev]

Originally posted by megatron
Hey Evilous it was nice of u to allow AdModDev to use ur romsips that u extracted manually yourself, since as u said this is the most time consuming part.

I really hoped you just mistyped that incredibly noobish statement. But by EvilouS' failure (evasion) to address it in the very next post, it is clear that this is what he told you.

Because you are clueless, let me explain a thing or two about this particular BIOS mod. It takes 5 seconds to copy (or "extract") a SIP (Serial Initialization Protocol) table(s). These tables initialize the K7 S2K (CPU bus) and affects its performance/stability.

Now, trying to figure out where they are located in the first place is what takes some effort. For this, I used two resources: Tictac (the original ROMSIP modder) and the NF7 BIOS. Through various PMs with tictac, his various posts in various forums, and cross-referencing the NF7 SIP, I was able to figure out the latest Oskar Betas now have 16 Tables.

What takes the most amount of time is figuring out where to put the copied tables. Hence, my multiple versions (4 Table, 6 Table, 10 Table, 16 Table, etc). to determine the correct "methodology".

I don't know why but he got very upset when I posted a comparison which someone else asked for and I thought why not.

I'll admit I was a little worked up over your comparison. Don't know why, maybe its the competitive nature drilled in me with years of playing football, wrestling, and track. If you understood what it is that we are trying to accomplish (reread carefully my post above to get a clue), then you would realize how ludicrous a comparison is. Flying Hampster is too ignorant to comprehend but you seem capable.

Now, if we were to both mod a "performace BIOS", then a comparison would be very appropriate.

I also never released the bioses he sent me at his request.

Releasing them? To who? You sent me a PM requesting my modded BIOS and I emailed them to you and others who also requested. I told you guys to test my methodology. Never did I say "release them". If one of the you guys who got this email, please post it for everyone to see what I wrote. I don't mind, let the truth be known. You will also notice I didn't publicly post any of my files due to the highy experimental nature of this mod.

Seems to me that he wants to steal your limelight.

Jesus, I don't know how to respond to this. Go back to the point I joined this thread and read all of my posts very carefully to get a clue about my true motives.

[EvilouS]

Originally posted by AdvModDev
I really hoped you just mistyped that incredibly noobish statement. But by EvilouS' failure (evasion) to address it in the very next post, it is clear that this is what he told you.

Because you are clueless, let me explain a thing or two about this particular BIOS mod. It takes 5 seconds to copy (or "extract") a SIP (Serial Initialization Protocol) table(s). These tables initialize the K7 S2K (CPU bus) and affects its performance/stability.

Now, trying to figure out where they are located in the first place is what takes some effort. For this, I used two resources: Tictac (the original ROMSIP modder) and the NF7 BIOS. Through various PMs with tictac, his various posts in various forums, and cross-referencing the NF7 SIP, I was able to figure out the latest Oskar Betas now have 16 Tables.

What takes the most amount of time is figuring out where to put the copied tables. Hence, my multiple versions (4 Table, 6 Table, 10 Table, 16 Table, etc). to determine the correct "methodology".




I'll admit I was a little worked up over your comparison. Don't know why, maybe its the competitive nature drilled in me with years of playing football, wrestling, and track. If you understood what it is that we are trying to accomplish (reread carefully my post above to get a clue), then you would realize how ludicrous a comparison is. Flying Hampster is too ignorant to comprehend but you seem capable.

Now, if we were to both mod a "performace BIOS", then a comparison would be very appropriate.



Releasing them? To who? You sent me a PM requesting my modded BIOS and I emailed them to you and others who also requested. I told you guys to test my methodology. Never did I say "release them". If one of the you guys who got this email, please post it for everyone to see what I wrote. I don't mind, let the truth be known. You will also notice I didn't publicly post any of my files due to the highy experimental nature of this mod.



Jesus, I don't know how to respond to this. Go back to the point I joined this thread and read all of my posts very carefully to get a clue about my true motives.

Whoa, slow your roll brother.
Don't ruin your hero status just yet. he's just expressing his opinions, let him do it be it may be a little hard to swallow or even understannd it is afterall just an opinion and not a personal attack.

I would like you to email me your Bioses so I can see how you mod yours as I'm interested in your methodology.
th30d0r3@hotmail.com, I'd really appreciate that thank you.

As I've said before, fantastic work well done.

[SAE]

First mail:

"Greets SAE. Thanks for agreeing to be a guinea pig. I have attached 3 versions for you to try:

1) 505_M6 (modded 6 tables)
2) 505_M10 (modded 10 tables)
3) 505_M16 (modded 16 tables)

Please remember which version you are testing because their all named the same thing (N24LD505). I have only changed the ROMSIP tables and nothing else. I did include Tromoto's HALT fix patch (you know the 1F and 9F thing) in the Infinity version but I want to get this ROMSIP mod solid first before doing anything else. Let me know how stable each one of them is either through email or Ghost's thread. I have some more versions for you to try if none of these are stable. Good luck, Dan Young (AdvModDev)"

Second mail:

"Greets again, SAE. I think the 6 Table mod may be optimal. To confirm my early findings, please try the two files I have attached:

1) 505_18T6 (12/18 ROMSIP, 6 TBL)
2) 505_31T6 (1/31 ROMSIP, 6 TBL)

Now if I remember correctly, the 1/31 ROMSIP was always faster for your system but not stable (peripheral drops). So if my methodology works, 505_31T6 should be faster but you might be unstable. I'm guessing the 505_18T6 and the 1/21 RS 6Table I sent you yesterday will behave the same. But maybe some other module in the 5/5 BIOS is reacting differently with different ROMSIP configs, who knows? Please test these two for speed/stability and post your findings in Ghosts thread when you get a chance. Thanks for helping out. Dan"

/edit.

So no words about "release" or spreading the bioses...

[AdvModDev]

[QUOTE]Originally posted by EvilouS
I doubt he cares less about what happens over at AMDMB coz he's said it himself it's down in the dumps over there, I think it was rather over emotional about how he bailed out but then that's his business.[/b]

Nice evasion of Megatron's ridiculous first sentence. But you're right, I don't give rat's ass about AMDMB. I have deep respect for RGone, AG, Oskar, and a few others. They are the reasons I went there in the first place. Now that place is empty.

The way I see it if you wanna post a comparison on how bioses perform then go ahead after all, what are the real reasons we're doing this.

Overclockability
Stability
Performance

So comparisions are a by-product of this. I say d'load 'em, flash em, bench 'em, compare 'em, and post 'em.
The more the better at least we know how they're working for people.

If you're saying that particular comparison done by Megatron was appropriate, then you have just revealed how ignorant you are and what it is that you're doing. I'd be extremely cautious in using anything you produce.

Whatever benevolence I felt toward you has evaporated completely by what you have revealed in this second post of yours. I question your motives in your first post here at XS.

To be totally honest, I have questioned your methodology from the beginning and said so to TicTac. He confirmed and even posted in your thread at AMDMB about where you went wrong. Then all of a sudden, you post your "revised ROMSIPS". I could reveal to the XS community just what you did, but I'll save you the embarassment.

You do realize that you are "modding" BIOSes that have a known 30% failure rate? If you have a conscience at all, you would rethink what your doing. My advice to you: put a halt on your cracker-jack modding attempts before you kill more people's boards. 'nuff said.

[EvilouS]

AdvModDev I've always held you in high regards for you work and that will not change. however you having a crack at me for backing you up is uncalled for. if you read my thread in AMDMB you will realise that I was a complete novice in what I was doing and TICTAC showed me my mistakes and therefore I corrected them.
People learn from their mistakes, if realising this learning from it and not making them again in your eyes still makes me an idiot then that's probably an opinion that you alone shall have.

As for the comparision, I don't know why you have thrown all your toys out the pram for it because it doesn't mean anything. when people are faced with a choice they weigh up all the odds and then make a choice, that is all it was. you don't need to attack me or the poster for it because 1. I didn't tell him to do it and 2. it highlighted that your romsip came up trumps.

I came over to this board just to clear up the issues about the SPC bios, which I have done so. I didn't come here to have to defend myself against self indulged self riteous modders like yourself. I mod the bios for myself I have a disclaimer and I don't force anyone to use them.

Please don't knock me as I've done nothing wrong. I'm simply experimenting and sharing my finding, where do you think all the other great inventions in the world came from.

Enjoy your day

[mongoled]

Hey AdvModDev,

Please chill man, this thread is turning sour, can u not try to get along. There seems to be alot of stuff going on in the background, if so and their are peeps who may be 'guilty' of something then time will tell.

I totally understand where you are coming from but at the same time i can totally realte to what Evilous is saying. The problem with having a disclaimer is that if some peeps picks the bios up from a third party then they may not know what they are getting in to. This is my only point of concern with the way Evilous has made his bios's available.

At the end of the day those who have read the disclaimer and have managed to mess up their bios then there the only person to blame. Like you have said AdvModDev you are from a competitive background, sometimes you take 'risks' to achieve your goals, if you fail you dont turn round and blame someone else, do you?

Id just like to see both you guys bury the hatchet, ive never spoken with Evilous be4, his intentions seem honest, ive spoken with you a few times, so I hope you can acknowledge the stuff i have written.

As for your decision to stop modding then that is totally your choice, Im sure the decision you have made is the right one for you (and in your opinion for other bios flashers) and thats all that should matter. If Evilous is making 'mistakes' and other peeps are suffering then tough, the saying comes to mind,

'If you play with fire, u may end up getting burnt'.

mong

[FlyingHamster]

Originally posted by AdvModDev
Flying Hampster is too ignorant to comprehend but you seem capable.

that was a low jab.

I honestly dont know what I did to piss u off, but whatever it was I apologize.

[EvilouS]

Originally posted by FlyingHamster
that was a low jab.

I honestly dont know what I did to piss u off, but whatever it was I apologize.

Mr Hamster, don't worry you're aiight.

BTW Nice avatar...

[SAE]

Originally posted by FlyingHamster
that was a low jab.

I honestly dont know what I did to piss u off, but whatever it was I apologize.

Hey Hamster

Don't take it too personally... I think he did not mean it this way...

I feel he's angry and a lil pi$$ed, maybe he had a bad week (I can imagine he's angy cause he did not want to destroy anyone's board, did not think about it intensely before, and now feels guilty, it does not match his intention) . I really think he's a good man and no flamer or bad guy.

As mong said. Time will tell.

[texuspete00]

Don't know why he went off the deep end, but someone saying that AdvModDev was trying to steal the limelight was equally uncalled for. I'd be more pissed at that and less at others but....

Yeah... I'd like try some particularly with 1/31 ROM-whooey-majigger. I didnt see anyone on XS bork there board other than hamster and he didnt seem all broken up about it. You guys should have just been hanging here. You put your disclaimer and go about your business. Don't hold back it hurts the guys with the backup plan. If nubs don't know what they are doing they have to learn somehow. Some people are destined to be careless with there PC until they find out the hard way. This isn't noob central. If some nub wants to flame someone for beta bioses, then hopefully they get pissed enough to take a hike.

[uwackme]

Anyone wants the limelight they can have it, all I want is a computer that works up to its potential, and Ill live happy....the rest is for U guys

[WildKard]

Ok, I have revisited each bios, and did some additional testing, here are my final analysis, after this I will just be using the one which works best FOR ME

Bios 505 12/18 T6

This bios gave me exceptional stability and speed @ 255fsb, it required 1.775vcore and 1.9vdd(any other vdd setting will cause me to not boot/crash) to be stable @ 2811mhz. I experienced dropped usb/lan/sound in this bios, however it was not very severe compared to other bios versions

Bios 505 1/31 T6

This bios gave me incredible speed, with good overall stability @ 255fsb, it required 1.75vcore and 1.7vdd(any other vdd setting will cause me to not boot/crash) to be stable @ 2811mhz, I experienced very rare peripheral drops, mostly lan, this was resolved by using a pci nic, i never dropped usb, and I only dropped sound once

Bios 505 1/21 T6

This bios offered solid speed, and rock stable stability @ 255fsb, it required 1.75vcore and 1.9vdd(any other vdd setting will cause me to not boot/crash) I experienced no peripheral drop(no matter how hard I tried)

I am currently using 505 1/21 and enjoying the benefits of alot of the bug fixes as well as mobile athlon support

If you want any of these bios versions just drop me a PM with your email, and I will share, of course flashing is done at your own risk

[G|-|oST]

It is unfortunate that all the criticism discourages talanted BIOS modders like tictac and advmoddev. Their modded BIOSes came with plenty of warnings and therefore if any problems were caused by using them, there is no reason to blame the modder.

The true loss is in the OC comminity, as some of us got GREAT results with these BIOSes.

[STEvil]

WildKard - Could you do me a favor and measure the voltage at the mosfet for your VDD when set to 1.7v and 1.9v for those bioses, if its not too much trouble?

CPU voltage at the choke and vdimm too if time is available....

[FlyingHamster]

WIldkard- did u have CPC enabled in all of those tests? did u change your alpha timings in all of those, or did u keep them at AUTO?

[WildKard]

@ STevil

1.7vdd gives me 1.72vdd and 1.9vdd gives me 1.882vdd

@ FlyingHamster

CPC Disabled, I cant run CPC over 200fsb, double sided ram

Alpha timings 1-3-3-3-3-3-4 viking says these are the best for high fsb/speed, and they work for me, so i dont question him

Oh yeah, thought I would mention for people who have stability issues

Slots 2 & 3 Error out instantly in memtest, I can only run slots 1 & 3

Perhaps that is what causes instability for alot of users

[Lithan]

wildkard... what ram have you got? Done any mods? And 1.75vdimm? Am I missing something here?

[WildKard]

2x 256mb OCZ 3700 Gold Rev1...yeah, VCore, not VDimm, I made a huge mistake and didnt even notice, I edited it out

[Lithan]

Cool...

Where can I get this bios? "Bios 505 1/21 T6"

[megatron]

My findings with bioses on my board:
http://forums.pcper.com/showthread.p...&postcount=334

[AdvModDev]

One final word of caution to anyone thinking about flashing these latest Betas (4/29 and 5/5, original or modded): DFI has pulled them from their site.

[Evil_Spork]

do we know why?

[AdvModDev]

Originally posted by Evil_Spork
do we know why?

This might be one explanation:

Origially posted by Alexia (DFI-Street Admin)

We actually have BETA testers now to check for board killing BIOSes and such before they are released to the public as BETAs. Hopefully we won't have this problem again.