New Swiftech H20-X20 Edge cooling kits

[Waterlogged]

gabe, slightly off topic question.

Can those of us that have the "new" PCB version of the MCP350/355 (or even the DDC 3.25) add the 4th wire and convert them to full PWM versions (MCP35X)? I have several of them but have been unwilling to try for fear of bricking the pump.

[gabe]

Hey Gabe,
I saw you were not doing the Apogee Drive anymore already, just saying it would be nice, but I am more interested in a single 120mm combo drive like the dual and triple 120mm for a SFF build like a HTPC, any chance of this?

Absolutely, and you are not the only one. But first I have got to get my production costs down. We are working on this as fast as we can.

[gabe]

All your testing was done with the Gentle Typhoon AP-15 fans.

What fans are coming on the kit?

Excerpts from the Edge kit product page:

Performance Data
Prior to releasing these kits, we published comprehensive test data in two related articles entitled "Actual Influence of Flow Rate on system Temperatures" and "Dual Loop versus Single, the Facts". These articles contain comprehensive information with respect to the thermal performance that can be expected from both kits in various configurations, including cooling of graphics card(s) in the loop. While the fans used in these tests (52 CFM Gentle Typhoons) were different than those shipped with the kits, users can expect that the performance levels will be equivalent to that of the included fans running at mid-speed (using the 12 to 7v adapters included in the kits), corresponding to mid to low audible noise levels.

Fan specifications (also listed on the Edge product page)

RDMS1225S (see specs on the site)

[Movieman]

Hey Gabe:
Read your PM's and yes, you can go "OY VEY!"...

[Toolius]

Hello
Umm just a quick question... Where can i buy the new kits ? i checked sidewinders, frozencpu and couldn't find them.
Really want to order 2 of the 320's if i can find them
Cheers guys and thanks a ton !

[Waterlogged]

Hello
Umm just a quick question... Where can i buy the new kits ? i checked sidewinders, frozencpu and couldn't find them.
Really want to order 2 of the 320's if i can find them
Cheers guys and thanks a ton !

Not quite in stock yet. I'm guessing a week to 10 days.

http://www.frozencpu.com/products/11...ming_Soon.html

gabe, slightly off topic question.

Can those of us that have the "new" PCB version of the MCP350/355 (or even the DDC 3.25) add the 4th wire and convert them to full PWM versions (MCP35X)? I have several of them but have been unwilling to try for fear of bricking the pump.

Um. . .gabe?

[skinnee]

gabe, slightly off topic question.

Can those of us that have the "new" PCB version of the MCP350/355 (or even the DDC 3.25) add the 4th wire and convert them to full PWM versions (MCP35X)? I have several of them but have been unwilling to try for fear of bricking the pump.

Um. . .gabe?

I doubt you'll get Gabe to answer that... I am going to attempt the mod after I have tested the dual tops with the 3.25's I have.

[Toolius]

Not quite in stock yet. I'm guessing a week to 10 days.

http://www.frozencpu.com/products/11...ming_Soon.html

Thank you Waterlogged !
I thought i had missed the boat so to speak
Cheers and kind regards !

[Martinm210]

Thanks Gabe, makes sense. Sounds like the kit fans are similar to a Yate High Speed and should be a good adjustable option

[Waterlogged]

I doubt you'll get Gabe to answer that... I am going to attempt the mod after I have tested the dual tops with the 3.25's I have.

Yeah, I kind of suspected that before I asked the first time but, it never hurts to ask anyways. It'd be nice if it works and I hope you don't sacrifice a pump in the name of science. GL

[Church]

Waterlogged: imho there is better chance if you'd ask about that by email Laing directly. I recall the case with D5 Vario pump mod, where Laing told him that way how/where to solder wire for Vario to report rpm tach signal like non vario does. Imho this pwm related question might be of similar kind, maybe you get lucky in similar way. If so, feel free to report us. PWM-ed 3.25 can interest many people (though imho might hurt sales of MCP35x ). Though then again, even with that D5 mod many people still buy varios with no intention to mod them, as soldering & loosing warranty is big no-no for most. So even if info for such mods gets public, imho it won't impact sales too noticeably (hint, Gabe ).

[Alexandr0s]

Waterlogged: imho there is better chance if you'd ask about that by email Laing directly. I recall the case with D5 Vario pump mod, where Laing told him that way how/where to solder wire for Vario to report rpm tach signal like non vario does. Imho this pwm related question might be of similar kind, maybe you get lucky in similar way. If so, feel free to report us. PWM-ed 3.25 can interest many people (though imho might hurt sales of MCP35x ). Though then again, even with that D5 mod many people still buy varios with no intention to mod them, as soldering & loosing warranty is big no-no for most. So even if info for such mods gets public, imho it won't impact sales too noticeably (hint, Gabe ).

I doubt losing warranty is a big no-no for liquid coolers, because much of the things we do involves losing warranty .

Anyway, the danger of loss of sales is probably the reason why Gabe wouldn't answer that question .

[Waterlogged]

Well, if he only sells the MCP35X, that takes care of much of the "lost sales" problem. He can't do anything about the ones in the wild already but he can do something about future sales.

[Movieman]

I'd like to see an integrated 655 pump!

[Waterlogged]

I'd like to see an integrated 655 pump!

That pig won't fit.

[Movieman]

That pig won't fit.

I know, but I can dream can't I?

[eclypse]

If anyone sees these new pumps in the wild please let me know! I'll be wanting a few for the new build.

[jalyst]

@Gabe
Do you have plans for an AIO/sealed system similar to the Eco C240mm or Asetek 570LX?
Or is the H20-220 as close as it gets for Swiftech?

I realise there's no comparison performance/cost-wise.
But I think I'd prefer a simpler install like the C240.

*ducks for cover in anticipation of the wrath of hard-core liquid cooling guys*

It's for a HTPC build....
The ATX/desktop form-factor case is yet to be fully determined.
I expect some substantial case modding will be necessary.

[gabe]

If anyone sees these new pumps in the wild please let me know! I'll be wanting a few for the new build.

release coming out next week!

@Gabe
Do you have plans for an AIO/sealed system similar to the Eco C240mm or Asetek 570LX?
Or is the H20-220 as close as it gets for Swiftech?

I realise there's no comparison performance/cost-wise.
But I think I'd prefer a simpler install like the C240.

*ducks for cover in anticipation of the wrath of hard-core liquid cooling guys*

It's for a HTPC build....
The ATX/desktop form-factor case is yet to be fully determined.
I expect some substantial case modding will be necessary.

no wrath from me, but technical explanations and opinions:

Sealed system are not upgradeable. To use an analogy, it's like the kleenex of the liquid cooling world, use it and trow it away; there is nothing wrong with that mind you (concept wise) but you need to understand that these systems were originally developped for large OEM's, where it DOES make a lot of sense, and they are now spilling over into the retail market. The edge kits have been developped for enthusiast consummers, and they are adapted to a majority of our users.

I recommend that you buy the Asetek if it meets your needs.

[Martinm210]

release coming out next week!

Nice!...any more teaser pictures/info on the stand alone pump?

I really like the whole PWM idea..

[jalyst]

no wrath from me, but technical explanations and opinions:

Sealed system are not upgradeable. To use an analogy, it's like the kleenex of the liquid cooling world, use it and trow it away; there is nothing wrong with that mind you (concept wise) but you need to understand that these systems were originally developped for large OEM's, where it DOES make a lot of sense, and they are now spilling over into the retail market. The edge kits have been developped for enthusiast consummers, and they are adapted to a majority of our users.

I recommend that you buy the Asetek if it meets your needs.

Fair enough, thanks for offering your thoughts Gabe.

This kit is still not out of the running for me....
It just depends on what pricing is like in Australia (or if not available here then OS).
If the difference is minimal between it & the 570LX/Eco C240, then the choice is obvious.

Thanks again.

[gabe]

Fair enough, thanks for offering your thoughts Gabe.

This kit is still not out of the running for me....
It just depends on what pricing is like in Australia (or if not available here then OS).
If the difference is minimal between it & the 570LX/Eco C240, then the choice is obvious.

Thanks again.

The difference in price between our kits and these kits is huge. They are at least half the price of ours.

Therefore, if you are on a budget, if you do not mind the lower performance, or being unable to attach water-cooled VGA(s) to your loop, and if you are willing to take the chance to have to throw it away on your next CPU upgrade, then these low end kits are a target of choice for you Alternatively you might also be very satisfied with a top-end heatsink , since there is relatively little difference between these kits and top-of-the-shelf heat pipes. My personal preference if I was on a budget would be to use top quality air cooling though. I see no reason to even spend another $40 or $50 over a good heatsink if I can't liquid cool my VGA's. But that's just a personal choice.

[iandh]

gabe a new direct drive please

Ive been praying and praying for one.

No offense meant, but the block mounted pump was a dud from day one for a single reason... there isn't enough mass in the pump, block, cpu/socket, and motherboard to effectively dampen lower frequency vibration. Not to mention which, the motherboard and motherboard tray are essentially acting as soundboards, just like in a piano.

That is the main reason (IMO) that mounting to the radiator is vastly superior. The water in the radiator is an incredibly effective mass dampener, which I am guessing is one of the main reasons why this system is so much quieter as per first hand accounts.

This is the very same reason I always giggle when I see people trying to eliminate noise by isolating fans from radiators using vibration dampening mounts... they should be doing the exact opposite and coupling the fans to the radiators as firmly as possible to take advantage of the mass of the radiator and coolant.

[eclypse]

release coming out next week!

Its next week.. Any chance of this hitting today?? I really want to over 2 pumps along with my other stuff to get the new build going as soon as possable.. Sick of debating and thinking about what to get. Want to place an order to get it over with hehe.. My new case will be here Wednesday!

[sn0man]

This is the very same reason I always giggle when I see people trying to eliminate noise by isolating fans from radiators using vibration dampening mounts... they should be doing the exact opposite and coupling the fans to the radiators as firmly as possible to take advantage of the mass of the radiator and coolant.

I've always thought the same thing.