New rumor about ATI Southern Islands

[resident1509]

I don't have anything against tweaking and selling a product but for all the outrage against NVIDIA...

4000 series > 5000 series (doubled 4000 specs + dx11) > 6000 series (more of the same tweaking)

Where is similar outrage that we saw against NVIDIA?

[Sn0wm@n]

i could be wrong .. but when nvidia did the renaming they didnt really change anything right???? from 8800 something into 9600 something ....

[Andi64]

Worse, they renamed 8800GT to 9800GT. Exact same card. OEMs changed the packaging, the BIOS, and nothing else (in most cases)

[sutyi]

I don't have anything against tweaking and selling a product but for all the outrage against NVIDIA...

4000 series > 5000 series (doubled 4000 specs + dx11) > 6000 series (more of the same tweaking)

Where is similar outrage that we saw against NVIDIA?

8800GT > 9800GT - stayed the same.
8800GTS > 9800GTX > 9800GTX+ > GTS250 - use the same G92 GPU, though at least clocks were bumped with each rebrand.

[InCredible]

I don't have anything against tweaking and selling a product but for all the outrage against NVIDIA...

4000 series > 5000 series (doubled 4000 specs + dx11) > 6000 series (more of the same tweaking)

Where is similar outrage that we saw against NVIDIA?

because a lot of nvidia's renames there was no tweaking
typically it was the same amount of "cuda" cores same amount of memory..the difference was slightly higher clocks..which any of us could do ourselves with any over clocking program

no ones upset if nvidia or ati take a arch and tweak it..thats what happens but if ati where to take a 5870(1600sp 1gb gddr5 256bit 850core) and the 6870 was say 1600sp 1gb gddr5 256bit and 900-1000 core..id be upset with it and not waste my time..
however they are "supposedly" tweaking it a bit more then that making it more efficient and improving tessellation which seems a bit different then just taking a gpu and simply clocking it slightly higher and giving it a different name

[Lokinhow]

8800GT > 9800GT - stayed the same.
8800GTS > 9800GTX > 9800GTX+ > GTS250 - use the same G92 GPU, though at least clocks were bumped with each rebrand.

there was 8800GS -> 9600GSO, same card too.
8600GT -> 9500GT and 8500GT -> 9400GT, those were something like 9800GTX -> 9800GTX+

[LightSpeed]

I mentioned this a couple of pages ago

They wont rebrand (rebrand = 8800GT > 9800GT, or 9800GTX+ > GTS250 IMO), but most probably the 67xx will be a tweaked Cypress. Thats what I hear

However, look out for clocks at or above 850 for the 6770, memory will probably be 1250. I feel it is going to be a great overclocker, surely some tweaking has been done to allow for higher clocks (4870 > 4890 ish)

I personally have no issues if I can get a higher clocking Cypress than 5870 for $250. Bring it on

Edit: that chart is completely wrong. Theres no way a 5770 will be tweaked and rebranded 6770, if there is such a "rebrand" it will be what is mentioned above

[LordEC911]

I think AMD is either a) screwing with everyone leaking bogus info b) planting bogus info internally to find out who leaks it

It could also be that leaked information was misunderstood.

I doubt we will see any nVidia style rebranding.

AMD sandbagging still.

[kadozer]

I don't have anything against tweaking and selling a product but for all the outrage against NVIDIA...

4000 series > 5000 series (doubled 4000 specs + dx11) > 6000 series (more of the same tweaking)

Where is similar outrage that we saw against NVIDIA?

What someone else already mentioned about Nvidia not changing a damn thing physically and I also want to add that Nvidia did it not twice but 3X.

Please rebuttal.... please.

[mindfury]

http://www.chiphell.com/thread-121067-1-1.html

Antilles 6990
Cayman XT 6970
Cayman PRO 6950
Barts XT 6870
Barts PRO 6850
Juniper XT 6770
Juniper LE 6750
Turks 66xx / 65xx
Caicos 63xx
nApoleon 发表于 2010-9-4 22:55

另外,经过这几天的调查,Cayman是256bit,并不是384bit,AMD现在烟雾弹 越来越厉害了
nApoleon 发表于 2010-9-4 23:11

Cayman has a 256bit bus,not 384bit

[Calmatory]

JUNIPER what?

No. It can't be!

[Carfax]

I don't have anything against tweaking and selling a product but for all the outrage against NVIDIA...

4000 series > 5000 series (doubled 4000 specs + dx11) > 6000 series (more of the same tweaking)

Where is similar outrage that we saw against NVIDIA?

XS has the worst fanATIcs on the internet..

Even after a humongous post was made detailing how ATI was cheating in Crysis (and other games) with their filtering method and delivering inferior IQ for greater performance, there was no real outrage.

[Calmatory]

Bitter.. Bitter green cookie!

[RaV[666]]

XS has the worst fanATIcs on the internet..

Even after a humongous post was made detailing how ATI was cheating in Crysis (and other games) with their filtering method and delivering inferior IQ for greater performance, there was no real outrage.

Well, its not like nvidia has not been caught in a cookie jar many many times either..
http://www.extremetech.com/article2/...1103987,00.asp just one example.

Ati hasnt demoed wooden card either, and physx stuff aint helpin nvidia and annoucing the annoucment etc, nvidia leadership looks like they take from steve jobs sometimes.

And as for the "renaming" thing, 3xxx.4xxx.5xxx. and now 6xxx series are NOT the same exact thing, every generation has many differencies and performance, in the case of nvidia, they were selling the same chip with 3 different names.Aint that a lil different ?

[Carfax]

Bitter.. Bitter green cookie!

Not bitter, just nonplussed

Well, its not like nvidia has not been caught in a cookie jar many many times either..
http://www.extremetech.com/article2/...1103987,00.asp just one example.

Nvidia hasn't done an IQ affecting cheat in years, as evidenced by your article which goes back all the way to the FX 5900..

ATI on the other hand, have been GETTING AWAY with filtering cheats for quite some time now. Only a few people and some small websites have called them out on it. Major websites like Anandtech however, have effectively turned a blind eye, or become deluded themselves. At first it was sort of excusable since they've always used angle dependent AF until the 5000 series, while Nvidia got rid of angle dependent AF with the G80.

But now that they use angle independent AF like Nvidia, they still resort to these tactics; despite the tremendous raw power of the 5000 series. And to rub salt in the wound, you can't even turn it off.

I guess ATI fans must have lower expectations, because I as an Nvidia fan would never let Nvidia get away with something like this..

God knows what ATI (or AMD now I suppose) is going to do next to catch up with Nvidia..

[SimBy]

Not bitter, just nonplussed



Nvidia hasn't done an IQ affecting cheat in years, as evidenced by your article which goes back all the way to the FX 5900..

ATI on the other hand, have been GETTING AWAY with filtering cheats for quite some time now. Only a few people and some small websites have called them out on it. Major websites like Anandtech however, have effectively turned a blind eye, or become deluded themselves. At first it was sort of excusable since they've always used angle dependent AF until the 5000 series, while Nvidia got rid of angle dependent AF with the G80.

But now that they use angle independent AF like Nvidia, they still resort to these tactics; despite the tremendous raw power of the 5000 series. And to rub salt in the wound, you can't even turn it off.

I guess ATI fans must have lower expectations, because I as an Nvidia fan would never let Nvidia get away with something like this..

God knows what ATI (or AMD now I suppose) is going to do next to catch up with Nvidia..

Well I guess there would be more outrage if those so called 'cheats' would actually be noticeable without some serious screenshot examination. Or are you saying you can tell the difference in fast pace gaming?!

[Jowy Atreides]

What's with all this tweaking talk?

They're changing the; bus width, amount of SP's, the type of sps (from 5 to 4), the memory frequecy, the amount of memory, more tesselation units.
That's everything that could possibly change which actually influences performance being changed.

This is NOT a tweak, even if the basic architecture is similar or revised everything else is different.

Ignore carvidia. OUT WITH ONDORE'S LIES! I'M CARVIDIA VON RONSONBERG OF NVIDIA.

[RaV[666]]

God knows what ATI (or AMD now I suppose) is going to do next to catch up with Nvidia

Catchup how ? Doesnt ati has the most powerfull card on the market today ? 5970, not even taking onto consideration 5970 4gb and ares type of thing.

[Chumbucket843]

What's with all this tweaking talk?

They're changing the; bus width, amount of SP's, the type of sps (from 5 to 4), the memory frequecy, the amount of memory, more tesselation units.
That's everything that could possibly change which actually influences performance being changed.

This is NOT a tweak, even if the basic architecture is similar or revised everything else is different.

Ignore carvidia. OUT WITH ONDORE'S LIES! I'M CARVIDIA VON RONSONBERG OF NVIDIA.

i think this is what people are talking about.


and no that is not everything they could possibly change. take a computer architecture course or something of the sort.

[Carfax]

Well I guess there would be more outrage if those so called 'cheats' would actually be noticeable without some serious screenshot examination. Or are you saying you can tell the difference in fast pace gaming?!

Some people alleged to notice the difference. That thread I linked to had a few such people..

Anyway, it's the principles and not the technicalities which are important.

If you drop the cash for a "high end" video card(s), don't you expect to be able to run at higher IQ settings without compromise?

With ATI however, you're not even getting the full FP16 rendering...meaning, you're not getting what you've paid for.

Why the hell would you spend hundreds of dollars on a high end video card, when it can't even run AF properly?

And as I mentioned before, you can't disable it at all.. ATI is lying to it's consumers by making it seem as if the card is really doing AFx16, when in fact, it isn't.

[Carfax]

Catchup how ? Doesnt ati has the most powerfull card on the market today ? 5970, not even taking onto consideration 5970 4gb and ares type of thing.

Yep, they have the fastest card, but it still can't even do simple AF properly

[ajaidev]

Some people alleged to notice the difference. That thread I linked to had a few such people..

Anyway, it's the principles and not the technicalities which are important.

If you drop the cash for a "high end" video card(s), don't you expect to be able to run at higher IQ settings without compromise?

With ATI however, you're not even getting the full FP16 rendering...meaning, you're not getting what you've paid for.

Why the hell would you spend hundreds of dollars on a high end video card, when it can't even run AF properly?

And as I mentioned before, you can't disable it at all.. ATI is lying to it's consumers by making it seem as if the card is really doing AFx16, when in fact, it isn't.

This is 1000 years old but some of it still applies

http://www.extremetech.com/article2/...1154593,00.asp

[MrMojoZ]

Yep, they have the fastest card, but it still can't even do simple AF properly

Coming from a nvidia fanboy, I'm not going to give anything you say much weight. Maybe you could post some more physix hype threads instead of flinging poo in an Ati thread?

[Calmatory]

And as I mentioned before, you can't disable it at all.. ATI is lying to it's consumers by making it seem as if the card is really doing AFx16, when in fact, it isn't.

IS or WAS?

Don't answer unless you can back up your claims.

[Chumbucket843]

well, it would help if carfax knew the difference between a texture format and a filtering algorithm. the rumor is that in some cases ATi was using FP11 where the game called for FP16.