I missed that...Originally Posted by -Boris-
I missed that...
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All I will say is that everyone who is up in arms about schedules and introduction dates, because of the fud out there, is really on the wrong track.
The intel machine is in full force right now.
I don't care about the FUD, I care that it's time to upgrade my 965BE and I can't wait for BD's releaseI'm almost tempted to go for server hardware to satisfy myself
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IMHO can happen that the desktop parts will come earlier than the server ones.
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2U 32-core setups do sound tempting :PI don't care about the FUD, I care that it's time to upgrade my 965BE and I can't wait for BD's release
Would have no idea what to do what that sort of power tho lol
I suppose it could, but it would be out of character. The last few launches have always had Opteron parts drop first. Barcelona came a couple of months prior to Agena, Shanghai came out a few months before Deneb, and Istanbul was out nearly 3Q before Thuban.
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So, it means BD is to be released on early Q1, because this the only guess with this forecast.
No it doesn't mean that... Why are you pressing so much on delivery date when AMD is not going to reveal that information now?
That was a joke.
Well it really didn't look like one to me.Use smileys next time
Just a dirty question now. When BD in 22nm is coming. Any guesses?
a year later than intel's 22nm, in other words in 2013
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Well, begining or end of it? Because that would mean only 1 year with BD on 32nm.
beginning of 2013
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I know but maybe this strategy is going to change. The desktop steppings may contain some erratas which the server steppings may not. The desktop segment is more tolerant about some erratas. Just think back to Nehalem's launch. The C0 (first desktop) stepping came months earlier than D0 (first server) stepping because the C0 contains some errata which is not allowed for a server CPU (like TLB bug). So if there will be an early stepping which would be suitable for desktop then maybe can happen my speculation.
Why not? The 65nm K10 lived 1 year and 2 months.
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A year from now you'll see BD for the desktop. If you want something faster than your 965, then grab a cheap X6 1055 and wait until Q3 of next year or grab a Sandy Bridge setup from Intel. And this coming from an AMD user.I don't care about the FUD, I care that it's time to upgrade my 965BE and I can't wait for BD's release
Last edited by freeloader; 09-02-2010 at 10:14 AM.
As quoted by LowRun......"So, we are one week past AMD's worst case scenario for BD's availability but they don't feel like communicating about the delay, I suppose AMD must be removed from the reliable sources list for AMD's products launch dates"
AMD should use a 1206 pin socket and align pin-1 on the AM3 CPU with pin-1 on the BD socket that way you have 265 spare pins for BD.
Socket AM34 anyone.
Last edited by scorpidragon; 09-02-2010 at 05:12 PM.
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After thinking about nn_step's comment I think he is mostly right.
I can't say what the IPC of code is like on average. But my own code doesn't often do a lot of linear arithmetic. I can usually break the computational work into multiple threads and/or send it to the FPU instead. But the bulk of my code tends to be branchy. With the new branch fusion, branch prediction, and prediction steered data prefetch this type of code could see a significant improvement on BD compared to K10.
But despite the gains or losses in IPC for specific types of code it seems to me that increasing IPC for average code is going to achieve diminishing returns in the coming years. First because there is only so much more ILP left to extract from code and second because Amdahl's law applies just as much to instruction level parallelism as it does to thread level parallelism. Also any new program doing a major amount of computation will usually be multi-threaded. Increasingly, as programmers learn to code threaded programs better and take care of higher level parallelism themselves, getting more IPC out of each individual thread may be rapidly approaching a wall.
We also seem to be forgetting the case of program level parallelism. When I run a program and it's not taking up all my cores or not utilizing them fully, I run more programs. That's exactly why I have run MP machines since the Pentium Pro days and why I have a multicore processor now. Multitasking has been around for a long time. But because it's hard to quantify as a benchmark people tend to compare performance only in the single instance case.
I believe the answer will depend on what you are using your high end desktop for. Not everyone uses a high end machine for the same purpose and which architecture and core count is right for you depends on which applications you use the most.
It may be the case that for office users or gamers a high-clocked 2 module BD or 2 core SB is the sweet spot. While if you to lots of encoding, crunching, or media creation a 4 module BD or 8 core SB might be the sweet spot. Of course we will have to wait for benchmarks to know for sure.
I think you could rather buy an octy MC and a dual socket mobo... this will be somewhat future-proof... as after BD comes you should be able to run it with a simple bios update... which is not something that you could say about Intel platforms (both server and desktop) and AMD's desktop offerings at this point in time...A year from now you'll see BD for the desktop. If you want something faster than your 965, then grab a cheap X6 1055 and wait until Q3 of next year or grab a Sandy Bridge setup from Intel. And this coming from an AMD user.
Edit: Makes for an incredible value proposition too... what with the cheapest MC coming in at $290 appx and dual socket board for about $450
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Last edited by tifosi; 09-03-2010 at 12:06 AM.
The big problem with AMDs dual server boards are that they are not overclockable!
If the MC dual boards ever came out as an overclockable workstation board, then I would by two or three of them!
If MC or BD CPUs came out unlocked (like Intel's) runs at around 3.0 GHz, then I would buy four to six CPUs!
If AMD released BD as an Phenom FX CPU for G34 or whatever socket that comes out, then I would buy four to six of those CPUs!
Last edited by scorpidragon; 09-03-2010 at 01:42 AM.
who really needs to oc a dual socket board ??? seriously... besides for e-peen value
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Same power as our current 12-core. Which is the same as the previous 6-core. Based on some of the power saving features, there is the possibility in certain workloads that it could be lower.2U 32-core setups do sound tempting :P
Would have no idea what to do what that sort of power tho lol
I mean the processing power
< This guy. When I was running a dual Istanbul setup between last July and earlier this year, I really wanted to overclock it. I did, to a limited degree, on my first (nVidia) motherboard.
Why? Because I do some of everything. When I'm compiling FPGA programming files during development, that's unfortunately a single-threaded process that takes a long time. At 2.2 GHz, you're looking at a minute and a half to two minutes every time you want to test a configuration. It's not like Visual Studio where you hit F5 to check your changes and the thing instantly starts up. When I'm relaxing by playing games, that's mildly threaded. Most games don't do their best with more cores and lower clock frequencies, though a few like Bioshock do fine. For the most part though, my gaming experience really tanked when I went from a Phenom II X4 940 @ 3.6 GHz to the dual Istanbul @ 2.2-2.5 GHz. And finally I do some video work which tends to take advantage of more cores quite nicely...some times.
It's never fast enough though. A Thuban overclocked to 4GHz, which isn't terribly difficult, can turn in throughput very close to what I used to get out of my dual Istanbul station. That was the point I decided to switch. If I had been able to overclock that platform, the question of changing or not wouldn't have been so easy to answer.
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Likewise, the frequency of a car pseudoanalogy to explain a technical concept increases with thread length. This will make many people chuckle, as computer people are rarely knowledgeable about vehicular mechanics.
When confronted with a post that is contrary to what a poster likes, believes, or most often wants to be correct, the poster will pick out only minor details that are largely irrelevant in an attempt to shut out the conflicting idea. The core of the post will be left alone since it isn't easy to contradict what the person is actually saying.
When a poster cannot properly refute a post they do not like (as described above), the poster will most likely invent fictitious counter-points and/or begin to attack the other's credibility in feeble ways that are dramatic but irrelevant. Do not underestimate this tactic, as in the online world this will sway many observers. Do not forget: Correctness is decided only by what is said last, the most loudly, or with greatest repetition.
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Remember: When debating online, everyone else is ALWAYS wrong if they do not agree with you!
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You just can't win. If your product offers feature A instead of B, people will moan how A is stupid and it didn't offer B. If your product offers B instead of A, they'll likewise complain and rant about how anyone's retarded cousin could figure out A is what the market wants.
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