AMD's Radeon HD 6870 benchmarked? (updated more screens)

[saaya]

From 3Dcenter

i like those charts... but they havent exactly been accurate in the past... according to that chart ati will use the 6000 series to push their asps up, which i doubt tbh... if the chart is accurate, then the 6800 series is barely an improvement over the 5800 series, and the 6700 series can only reach 5830 performance? if thats true, then thats bad...
bart has to be at least as fast as gf104, if not faster...

Because not everyone knows how to read the Chinese original source

nobody knows how to use google translate?
and nobody can understand the screenshots because they are posted on a chinese website?

[Olivon]

i like those charts... but they havent exactly been accurate in the past... according to that chart ati will use the 6000 series to push their asps up, which i doubt tbh... if the chart is accurate, then the 6800 series is barely an improvement over the 5800 series, and the 6700 series can only reach 5830 performance? if thats true, then thats bad...
bart has to be at least as fast as gf104, if not faster...

That's not about performance rating Sascha, that's just about prices and segments

[RPGWiZaRD]

Haha so many people fail to read that graph, it's only about pricing and you know ATI/AMD pushes prices often a lot more aggressively than Nvidia even if they hold the performance crown whereas ATI/AMD seems to understand there's a certain amount cash people are willing to spend while Nvidia simply prices the cards according to their performance. It's common for ATI/AMD to replace new cards are roughly similar prices as previous series but with added performance obviously. For Nvidia they only got expensier and expensier when they were at top (top card was sold for $500 then 550-600 for the next series, then $650 etc) but since they don't have the performance crown atm, they are pricing their cards rather according to ATI/AMDs pricing.

I think it's the best way to go atm with aggressive pricing even if they could say charge 500~530 EUR or $550~599 for a HD6870, they'll make life a lot harder for NVIDIA especially for GTX 480 which is a card that was probably targeted to sold at even higher than what it is, I'm sure NVIDIA wanted to price GTX 480 gladly at even $650 if they could. Now if 6870 is as good as these early "rumors" say then GTX 480 (and 470 most likely too) will be have to face price cuts and this is not good for Nvidia at all. Now ATI/AMD might not gain as much profit from selling at slightly lower price but they'll hurt Nvidia more instead and make Nvidia lose more market share and they will gain more market share which is probably easily worth a $50 lower price on HD6870. Talk about HD4xxx - HD6xxx series being ATI/AMD's era in discrete graphics market. At HD4xxx nv could still keep up well but that was the series started what ATI/AMD has built up a strong ground around. Soon they'll have to switch to an entire new architecture and then there's always more risks especially as NV might get their stuff right that time around as well but AMD/ATI has been very smart these last 3 gens.

[Olivon]

I think it's the best way to go atm with aggressive pricing even if they could say charge 500~530 EUR or $550~599 for a HD6870, they'll make life a lot harder for NVIDIA especially for GTX 480 which is a card that was probably targeted to sold at even higher than what it is, I'm sure NVIDIA wanted to price GTX 480 gladly at even $599 if they could. Now if 6870 is as good as these early "rumors" say then GTX 480 will be have to face price cuts and this is not good for Nvidia at all. Now they might not gain as much profit from selling at slightly lower price but they'll hurt Nvidia more instead and make Nvidia lose more market share and they will gain more market share which is probably easily worth a $50 lower price on HD6870.

I agree RPGWiZaRD

NVidia is losing this 40nm round and they don't have many things to deliver until 28nm next chapter.

[Florinmocanu]

My guess is that Nvidia is heavily re-working the GF100/GF104 architecture, without much intention to release a dual gpu (which would probably be beaten by the future 6970).

It may release, but my guess is that their main focus is on properly re-working the architecture to be able to stand against AMD, maybe even on 40nm. What AMD did with SI in terms of performance improvements Nvidia can and i guess will do as well, they have to.

[Calmatory]

My guess is that Nvidia is heavily re-working the GF100/GF104 architecture, without much intention to release a dual gpu (which would probably be beaten by the future 6970).

It may release, but my guess is that their main focus is on properly re-working the architecture to be able to stand against AMD, maybe even on 40nm. What AMD did with SI in terms of performance improvements Nvidia can and i guess will do as well, they have to.

I'm afraid they can't, unless there's a clear bottleneck in Fermi's gaming performance somewhere, and Nvidia can fix that, and actually decides to do so considering that 40 nm round is near to it's end anyway. I'd guess tons of FUD and marketing, if not anything else.

If it is actually true that AMD would focus on tesselation performance(guess it's their weakest link now), then they have quite much found the bottleneck wich allows the architecture to scale well with the improvements, leading to nice gains.

..and as Manicdan pointed out, Nvidia doesn't necessarily even care about 40nm that much. It's focus is somewhere else. Actually it has been all this time with Fermi.

[Olivon]

I'm afraid they can't, unless there's a clear bottleneck in Fermi's gaming performance somewhere, and Nvidia can fix that, and actually decides to do so considering that 40 nm round is near to it's end anyway. I'd guess tons of FUD and marketing, if not anything else.

If it is actually true that AMD would focus on tesselation performance(guess it's their weakest link now), then they have quite much found the bottleneck wich allows the architecture to scale well with the improvements, leading to nice gains.

..and as Manicdan pointed out, Nvidia doesn't necessarily even care about 40nm that much. It's focus is somewhere else. Actually it has been all this time with Fermi.

Right too Calmatory.
NVidia is doomed on 40nm ant they have no time to do a 40 nm refresh on Fermi 40 nm.
A chip revision maybe in order to decrease power consumption and calore but that's all.
NVdia had no B plan. That was a terrible mistake and ATI wins the cake.