Corsair H70 picture - Released tomorrow? (updated)

[mav2000]

Honestly, that hexus review is one really bad one. I dont care how beefy the intel stock cooler is, but I have seen enough of air coolers to know that any of the top 5-7 will beat the stock cooler hands down. There is something seriously flawed with that data. What they are essentially saying is all people with the high end intels buy after market coolers to just get 2-3 degrees load difference????? Does anyone belive that?

[Celestial Bliss]

Hmm I would like to see a good comparison between the H50 and the H70. If it's drastically better I might consider one. But the price is too high imo.

[Leeghoofd]

I would love to have this cooler on the Gigabyte H55N-USB3. Might get a sample today... we will see how she goes on 1090T and I7...

[CrimInalA]

I would love to have this cooler on the Gigabyte H55N-USB3. Might get a sample today... we will see how she goes on 1090T and I7...

curious about your results with X6

[Manicdan]

curious about your results with X6

what details do you want? i have an H50 on a 1055T

[CrimInalA]

I was actually looking for H70 results from leeghoofd , but H50 results would be good too as a comparison .

how is your setup (2 fans? push air out of case?)
what voltage on the cpu and speed and whats the load and idle temp

[Manicdan]

at stock my idle is 26C (room is 24C) load is 38C
i use fan profiles in my bios to regulate that, so its 50% fan speed below 40C, and by 45C it would be running max speed.

when overclocking i was able to get up to 3710mhz on all 4 cores at 1.42v (265x14) and temps topping out at 45C, but would drop down to 43C and back up (it cycled cause of dynamic fan speeds). for turbo it was doing 4372mhz (265*16.5) at 1.60v

i might care to try higher, but due to multiplier limitations i can run into various problems, i cannot adjust my NB very easily, its stuck at 10x, and dont know if thats hurting me. i might try for 4ghz this weekend at 1.5v and let all my fans run max (i have 3 intake and 3 exhaust, 1 is the H50, and they all run at half speed except the fan that came with the cooler)

[CrimInalA]

the temps you are mentioning are individual core temps ? they seem too low to be cpu temps , especially at full load and 1.6V

[Manicdan]

thats the temps i see in each core (and the cpu, they are all very, very close to each other) using occt or aod

my killawatt meter says 160W idle stock, normal voltage loads were around 250W and at 1.6v with 1-2 threads running was 330W (at the wall)
assume i have 85% efficiency for PSU and another 10% lost at the motherboard, 120W original load + (330W-250W*75%) = 120W + (60W), so im still under 200W cpu power

edit, btw with all cores loaded at 1.42v, im still using alot less power than 1-2 cores being loaded at turbos volts. i think it was about 295W.

[Olivon]

Hardware Canucks Review

[halfwaythere]

You've got the wrong picture:



2 degrees worse than a Venomous X both equipped with the same fans. For the record I've found through testing that the Noctuas NF-P12 to be one of the worst fans ever considering the price. The fact is a 10$ 1200rpm Slipstream will outperform them on any setup.

[Manicdan]

You've got the wrong picture:



2 degrees worse than a Venomous X both equipped with the same fans. For the record I've found through testing that the Noctuas NF-P12 to be one of the worst fans ever considering the price. The fact is a 10$ 1200rpm Slipstream will outperform them on any setup.

your looking at the wrong graph. all that graph does is show that the radiator needs faster fans to work optimally. ill do some math for you to explain why and hopefully you can give up this smearing campaign:

since the radiator is twice as thick, it has 2x better C/W than the H50 with unlimited airflow. as the airflow gets closer to zero, then the C/W gets closer to H50's. thats in a perfect world. in a real case a slow fan (like under 1000rps) will perform exactly the same on an H50 or H70, why, because as the air is moving through the radiator, it heats up and eventually reaches the waters temp, with a radiator twice as thick, it has twice as much time, and thus is going to quickly lose efficiency in slower speeds.

make sense? simple answer is do not put a slow fan on a thick radiator.
if this was an H50 with a 240mm rad, it would be a completely different story.

[halfwaythere]

Dude so basically this is half decent with insanely loud fans? Why would you want to use something like this?

Until someone does a real apples to apples comparison between the H70, H50 and something like a Noctua Nh-D14 I think I'm pretty safe when I'm saying this is maybe marginally better than the H50 because it's using two loud fans. I'm still hoping someone, who obviously doesn't care about Corsairs marketing bull, will give the H70 fans a go on the H50.

[Manicdan]

if you dont need the extra power or noise, go with an H50

the H70 with medium settings is the H50 with max settings,
which was 74.4C vs H50 max at 77.1C, thats your apples to apples

[SKYMTL]

I'm still hoping someone, who obviously doesn't care about Corsairs marketing bull, will give the H70 fans a go on the H50.

Marketing has nothing to do with it. That (IMO) would be a pointless comparison from an end-user perspective since you can't buy the H50 fan separately unless you look VERY carefully for OEM listings.

We have already seen that when equipped with the same fans, the H50 can pull ahead if high RPM units aren't installed due to the H70's thickness. That point is quite obvious. This does not however mean that the H70 is an inefficient cooler; it just needs higher speed fans to shine.

[HelixPC]

I would choose a good air cooler any day over these mickey mouse "water" cooling systems.

[Manicdan]

^reason?
not trying to judge, just wondering what your pros and cons were

[halfwaythere]

Let me make myself clearer: assuming has nothing to do with real testing. If you would've used the H70 fans on the H50 than your argument would have a solid base otherwise its just an assumption.

Some readers might wonder how good is the H50 fan. The answer is simple: a lot worse than a 1200 rpm Slipstream.



Something tells me the H70 fans are just as bad only higher rpm. You see someone reading the graphs on this page might think the H70 is 7 or 8 degrees better than a Venoumous X. We both know thats not the case and you're misleading once again. Why don't you make separate graphs for every fan that you use and one for the stock setting, instead of including everytime the stock fans when you know the noise levels are different. I guess none is above the mighty dollar these days.

[CrimInalA]

i ordered the H70 , let's see how it goes ^^

[Manicdan]

Let me make myself clearer: assuming has nothing to do with real testing. If you would've used the H70 fans on the H50 than your argument would have a solid base otherwise its just an assumption.

do i have to assume gravity dosnt work too? or is physics something we can depend on to work? understanding how the temps of the fins relative to the temp of the air, based on speed, is something i find rather easy to understand and assume.

Some readers might wonder how good is the H50 fan. The answer is simple: a lot worse than a 1200 rpm Slipstream.

i dont see a 1200 slipstream being tested (please point out that graph)
in the test with the 1300 noctua fans, they were 5C worse than the stock fans running 1600rpms (maybe those fans kinda suck for the fin density of the radiator, but work better on the venomousX?)

not sure what fans are used in that chart, but ones that scale up to 4000rpm, or different fans were used (link please so i can read the review done) btw different fans are built for different speeds, if you buy something for 1200rpm silence, it wont bet the same as 1200rpm with high pressure. there MANY fan tests in the watercooling section that show how different fans at different speeds offer many different results. rpm is about the last thing people should care about, since noise to C/W is really where its at (and even then a fan might sound louder to you than the testing unit because of how sound travels through a case and other factors) selecting the right fan is an art. there is no black and white best option out there.

Something tells me the H70 fans are just as bad only higher rpm. You see someone reading the graphs on this page might think the H70 is 7 or 8 degrees better than a Venoumous X. We both know thats not the case and you're misleading once again. Why don't you make separate graphs for every fan that you use and one for the stock setting, instead of including everytime the stock fans when you know the noise levels are different. I guess none is above the mighty dollar these days.

why would someone buy an H70, then pay more and slap on slower fans? i would NEVER recommend an H70 for someone who wants a unit for a really quiet system. the H50 will be a hair worse at lower speeds, but save you enough so you can buy some really good fans for it too.

you seem to be trying to push the H70 into a market that works better for the H50, or expecting people to just spend enough to go custom watercooling.

[halfwaythere]

The link you requested sir:

http://lab501.ro/racire/arhitectura-...ire-si-miracol

Its in Romanian use translators. The reason you're not seeing a great improvement between 1600 rpm and 2100 rpm is simply because the 1600 rpm Slipstream is a much better fan than the generic Tuniq 2100 rpm fans.

I'm going to ask you a simple question: why would anyone pay 100+$ for a product that only works decently at higher rpms when you can get a high end air cooler or even the H50 which don't require loud fans? What is the purpose of this product? So far I don't think its better than the H50 at similar noise levels and I'm pretty sure its worse than a high end air cooler.

[Movieman]

Lets wait and see what CrimInalA's results show.
I'm always more confident in what one of the members here show vs other sites.

[SKYMTL]

I'm going to ask you a simple question: why would anyone pay 100+$ for a product that only works decently at higher rpms when you can get a high end air cooler or even the H50 which don't require loud fans? What is the purpose of this product? So far I don't think its better than the H50 at similar noise levels and I'm pretty sure its worse than a high end air cooler.

- Space considerations

- Price (the H70 has already been on sale for under $100 CAD / $90 USD)

- Ease of installation

I do however understand where you are coming from but in all reality, I have yet to experience an overclocker / power user who was overly concerned about noise output. Heck, even most gamers don't really give two hoots about decibels since they are usually plugged into headphones or have their sound cranked anyways.

On the flip side of things, the H70 does perform very well in its stock form and let's be honest here: not many users will bother modifying it or the H50 with a different fan. They will "set it and forget it", confident that it will return excellent temperatures. And it will.

[Manicdan]

I'm going to ask you a simple question: why would anyone pay 100+$ for a product that only works decently at higher rpms when you can get a high end air cooler or even the H50 which don't require loud fans? What is the purpose of this product? So far I don't think its better than the H50 at similar noise levels and I'm pretty sure its worse than a high end air cooler.

that word require is the only thing im replying to at this time (ill take a look at that review soon enough, thanks for the link)

if you used the exact same fans on both the H50 and H70, you should notice 1 of 3 things, and why

the H70 performs better: because the air can move fast enough through to make use of the thicker radiator

the H70 might perform worse: this is going to be near impossible, the only reason it would be worse is if the airflow is LESS THAN the H50. having a thicker radiator should not add any noticeable restriction, but if it somehow did, you would have to be running the fans really, really low for it to happen.

or they perform the same: because the air can heat up to match the water temp before it moves through the entire radiator, which also requires lower fan speeds. (my estimate is sub 500rpm for this to happen, but withing testing tolerance for probably up to 800-1000rpms).

the H50 is a very well rounded cooler, the H70 is much more of a niche market, but offers alot of the same great features (easy to set up, reliability, consumes little space compared to full WC), but you do have to pay a little more for those features.

btw dont think im trying to sell a H70 to everyone, its a very tight gap between just being happy with a 40-50$ HS/F, vs wanting to go full WC.

if i had to decide, i would have offered a 240mm version before rebuilding the 120mm version thicker. a 240mm would have lost ALOT of compatibility, but offer a good option for both silent, or great performance. while the thicker 120mm is only going to have a little better perf at same noise, or alot better but alot louder.

[halfwaythere]

First off the H70 is performing well with the stock fans maxed out. I think most of the H50 owners realized the stock fan is, well, bad and probably replaced it or even added a second. You of course realize there are better, silent, more efficient fans than the ones Corsair bundled with their H70 kit. Assuming everyone will just accept the noise and not bother replacing them is wrong.

User reports are ok but can't really replace a professional doing his job. And for me testing on AMD has little to no relevance because of the wacky, untrustable sensors. No offence.