New EK 140mm Rads... Just received the photos in my email.

[trn]

don't worry, in time, there will be plenty to choose from. you just gotta wait until these hit mainstream. remember all those years back when 80mm fans were standard? 120mm fans were rare, and now they're the most popular.

I think i've heard this for a year or more already. YL's 140mm's are OK fans, at least and the price is

[Eddy_EK]

The fin density is about 4,3 fins per cm which is about 11 FPI.

I recounted again.
The number is 10 FPI.

[Church]

trn: YL are wonderful fans. Good noise/performance ratio, ones of cheapest ones .. but sleeve bearing. = bad for horizontal mount position. Unlike 120mm fans where we have wonderful GTs with ball bearing, situation with 140mm fans is worse. There are ball or hydrodinamic bearing 140mm fans aswell, but they don't shine in noise/performance area. And still no 140mm GTs in nearest future
Eddy: even better (for silent fans most @LC seem prefering to use). Any comments on extending product description pages with FPI && adding rad templates as per my previous post?

[Eddy_EK]

All templates are under Product specification sheet now for product

[Church]

Eddy: Thanks. Now that's what i call - customer satisfaction . EK FTW.

[Johnny87au]

Eddy: Thanks. Now that's what i call - customer satisfaction . EK FTW.

+1, #1 watercooling products in my books

[Bladesinger7x]

Noiseblocker NB-BlackSilentPRO PK3 (or PK2 for those who want silence).
PK3 moves some serious air.

[Ketzer7]

Noiseblocker NB-BlackSilentPRO PK3 (or PK2 for those who want silence).
PK3 moves some serious air.

The only problem with those is that they also use sleeve bearings. Don't buy any of that "Nano-SLI bearing" crap. It's all marketing BS. I have several of these fans and out of curiosity, ripped one apart to find out what was actually used inside to build it.

All I found was a big ole plain brass sleeve bearing coated in a ton of grease. That's it I have pics on my comp at home of the post-dissection if anyone doesn't believe me.

Given the fact that their construction is not so much different from the YL fans, all you're paying for is the fancy opaque fan blades, the NB name, and the extras they threw in like the silicone gasket and extension cord. I'll take the YL 140mm fans over those any day.

[Alexandr0s]

Thanks for the heads up Ketzer .

[Ketzer7]

Eddy-

I was looking at your template here for the XTC 420:

http://81.90.180.2/ekwaterblocks/sho...1109860151.pdf


If I read that right, is it saying that the screw hole spacing on your rad is 15mm?

If so, this differs from all of the other 140mm size rads currently on the market, which are 20mm screw hole spacing. For reference the HW Labs diagram, but the Thermochill 140.3 follows this same spacing:




Can you please clarify which screw hole spacing the XTC series is using? I think this is important as all of the 140mm rad grills and case panels I've seen out there all use this 20mm spacing..

[Church]

Hmm, if it really has different fan spacing it's bad. = Needs specific radgrills, unfit for any other rad. Same for premade fan/rad cutouts in cases. Maybe someone can order some customised DD/mountainmod cases for different spaced rads, but probably most will order standard spaced rad if other things/performance being same.

[Eddy_EK]

Hmmm...
I think something is weird here.
If the HW labs have 20mm spacing, they have 5mm space between the fans, meaning loss of pressure.

[BeepBeep2]

Thats exactly what I thought.

[WaterFlex]

excellent rads, thanks for the pics

[Church]

Just remeasured my SR1 560, yup, 20mm spacing. Have to check other vendor 140mm rad specs ..
Thermochill's PA140.3 seems also having 20mm,
Koolance's HX-CU1403V also 20mm.
Couldn't find spacing info for Phobya 140mm rads. But judging by it being even longer then HWLabs GTX/SR1 140mm rads, i'm guessing that 20mm spacing also is possible.
Who else is making 140mm rads these days? Magicool? Also couldn't find info.
One could count feser monsta rads in, but are those still made?

Anyway, 140mm rad grills being sold these days at LC shops usually have mentioned as made for HWLabs GTX rads .. so most probably 20mm it is. EK seems taken old thermochill's PA role of non-de facto-standard spacing role

[gmat]

I just looked at my SR1 fans, and they have barely any space between them, maybe 3mm top.. 140mm fans have bigger frames i guess ?

[Church]

If there weren't already manufactured big batch of dual and tripple rads (but seeing new EK rads apearing in other LC shops i doubt it) i'd almost advise making rev2.

[BeepBeep2]

I just looked at my SR1 fans, and they have barely any space between them, maybe 3mm top.. 140mm fans have bigger frames i guess ?

On my 3x120 spacing is 15mm and my Yates are touching eachother. It's almost hard to get all of them in their mounts. You definately aren't going to take the middle one out and expect it to go back in on its own.

[Ketzer7]

Eddy,

Well, there's nothing stopping you guys from keeping them the way are with 15mm spacing, but this is going to require custom case panels and rad grills to fit and/or mount the XTC series because just about everyone has more or less standardized on 20mm spacing for rads using 140mm fans. MountainMods, Lian Li, Bitspower, etc., etc., all use the 20mm spacing on their 140 rad products.

It's unfortunate because I would have given these new rads a try if they had 20mm spacing, but as it is, it seems too much of a hassle right now because nothing will fit them. Kind of a shame.

[Church]

Well, it doesn't affect 1x140mm ones at least. Another way to hack/fix situation would be relasing some own EK radgrill and put on shop. But imho rev2 in long term would be better choice, at least now, when rad is just released and haven't been manufactured that much as it could by nearest years. Having spacing same as de-facto standard in long term imho will help sell more rads then initial replaced rev1 ones. Third way would be to try releasing rad with both screwholes for 15 & 20mm spacing to be compatible with rev1 & also all cases/radgrills released for 20mm spacing.

[Manicdan]

i would rather have seen 15mm be the standard, or you would see some electrical tape between my fans for some good old fashions pressure keeping

[Church]

Manicdan: Unfortunately there are lot of things that are driven by de facto standarts instead of ones 'that should be better'. And de facto ones are made by majority of vendors. It's way less probable for all the other rad vendors to change their existing 140mm radlines. Same for radgrill / case makers - it's very unprobable to release something customised small batch for single vendor products only. It simply doesn't make business sense. That's why as one of variants to help situation i mentioned EK releasing their own radgrills, but in long term - rev2 with 20mm fan spacing just like other rads on market. If one makes component, one has to make shure for it to play well with/fit other ones, even ones others make. Only integrated sets can skip ensuring compatibility bit (in this case case+rad, or radgrill+rad).

[Manicdan]

i know its not going to change to 15mm, which is why i said would have

[Mudgey]

I would keep the rad spacing at 15mm if I were you, when the 140 rads do become the new standard and when different rad manufacturers strive to extract every last little piece of performance from them they will revert to the 15mm spacing to close off that gap between the fans.

Am I missing something but why would anybody include a 5mm or so spacing between fans? isn't it obvious that it is going to decrease the performance of the rad, maybe not even measureable on the low fpi systems, but surely on high fpi rads?

[Church]

Mudgey: only high fpi 140mm rad - hwlabs BI GTX one. So all the rest fall into low fpi category where you mentioned that it matters a bit less. Of course EK can leave things as is and do nothing, but my guess that it will result into 2 things: 1) rads sold 1/3 (pure guess/speculation of mine) from what could have been, 2) few dissatisfied customers among those who buy rad without looking all the small details including fan spacing first expecting anything being standard, and then finding out that it doesn't fit their freshly bought blingy looking radgrill and/or case after what they need to seek for much more limited choice specific rad grills (if such exist at all at that time) / or do much more unexpected moding / or return rad to shop, if money back warranty aplies / or clench teeth and write purchase in losses to unatention. It took long time for thermochill to release rads with updated fan spacing, that's why i sugggested releasing new version for EK right away, while these rads are still new / haven't been produced in large volumes to lessen money lost.