AMD cuts to the core with 'Bulldozer' Opterons

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Slightly OT but from what I see AMD with the MC's has got a excellent product, just need to get the clocks up.
A 12 core MC at 3000mhz would be a force to reckon with.

Yeah that's true.The only problem is they can't crank the clocks that high AND stay in the 105W ACP bracket . What I find interesting is that MC and Lisbon(D1) appear to still not using the low k dielectric tweak AMD implemented in Thuban silicon (E0) which practically made possible for AMD to make a hex core desktop chip with the same clock as QC equivalent(955BE,3.6Ghz @ 3 cores with Turbo) while staying within 125W TDP and actually drawing less than 955BE under full load.If they were to use this major process node tweak on server parts,I think they could bring up the clocks on MC by at least 15% while staying at the same power bands as today.

So you believe that there will be no practical difference between the two? You are very vague.

No,I believe the difference won't be big or impact gameplay that much.Not to mention there won't be 4.8Ghz Deneb chip to actually compare this(unless you do the dry ice session and test it yourself ).But I figure many will be looking to replace their SB or Bulldozer desktop chips with something new in 2014 so testing a Deneb on Dry Ice with the latest GPUs wouldn't be on anyone's priority list .