AMD presents "The Bulldozer Blog"

[ajaidev]

"Welcome to the Bulldozer Blog. Our next generation core architecture, a complete new design from the ground up, is called “Bulldozer.” This new core design is planned as the basis for our next generation AMD Opteron™ processors, as well as our high end client products.

The primary focus of the Bulldozer Blog will be commercial systems, and most specifically server, but there will be some client-focused blogs periodically as well. The server business tends to have much longer sales cycles and more architectural discussions, so you will see more focus from us in those areas."

http://blogs.amd.com/work/2010/08/02...ulldozer-blog/

http://blogs.amd.com/work/2010/08/02/what-is-bulldozer/

Found it via:

"CHIP DESIGN HOUSE AMD is gearing up for the launch of its 'Bulldozer' core architecture that will be the basis for its next generation of Opteron processors.

As part of the build up, AMD has launched a blog that it says will cover all the information on its Bulldozer technology."

http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/...ring-bulldozer

Waiting for Hot Chips long time....

[Chumbucket843]

The primary focus of the Bulldozer Blog will be commercial systems, and most specifically server

so could i make the assumption that this chip will not be ideal for multimedia or hpc? it really concerns me that this is one of the first things the blog says.

[terrace215]

This could use an edit:

We will be introducing this processor in 2011, and as we get closer we’ll get more granular on the actual availability.

Just so that we are all on the same page, some things you won’t see us discuss detailed benchmark results, pricing, launch date or any of our partners’ platforms.

Err, you just did discuss the launch date, and promised to narrow it down more in the future...

[terrace215]

so could i make the assumption that this chip will not be ideal for multimedia or hpc? it really concerns me that this is one of the first things the blog says.

Actually, I'd guess that HPC will be one of its relative strengths. And gaming a relative weakness, as those are highly correlated with single-core strength.

[JF-AMD]

so could i make the assumption that this chip will not be ideal for multimedia or hpc? it really concerns me that this is one of the first things the blog says.

No, that statement is that I am a server guy, so don't bombard me with client questions. There will be a client blog, but obviously, because of sales cycles and technology buying processes, we talk about server details a lot more than client out ahead of launch.

HPC is server and this will be a killer HPC product.

[v0dka]

so could i make the assumption that this chip will not be ideal for multimedia or hpc? it really concerns me that this is one of the first things the blog says.

You are imagining stuff, terrace too. Anyone knows that the main focus in design is server oriented, always has been. The same was true for A64 and we all know how good that architecture was for the regular consumer, gamer whatever.

[ExodusC]

Well, I just hope it's not all hype. Would love to see AMD release another processor that hits as hard as the Athlon X2 did... Would make competition a lot more interesting.

[Olivon]

Performance: We release benchmarks at launch, so don’t expect too much detail there anytime soon. From a performance standpoint, if you compare our 16-core Interlagos to our current 12-core AMD Opteron™ 6100 Series processors (code named “Magny Cours”) we estimate that customers will see up to 50% more performance from 33% more cores. This means we expect the per core performance to go in the right direction — up. That is all I will say until launch.

So 12.5% better per core is the deal ?

[Chumbucket843]

No, that statement is that I am a server guy, so don't bombard me with client questions. There will be a client blog, but obviously, because of sales cycles and technology buying processes, we talk about server details a lot more than client out ahead of launch.

HPC is server and this will be a killer HPC product.

just trying to confirm that this is not just a server chip because all of the hype has been how much better it will be in the server area and frankly that's not something i care about. 99% of what i do on my comp is HPC type work. i'm not sure how you are classifying HPC as server though. in what respect? i.e business or technical.

You are imagining stuff, terrace too. Anyone knows that the main focus in design is server oriented, always has been. The same was true for A64 and we all know how good that architecture was for the regular consumer, gamer whatever.

i dont know if that's true. every extension added to x86 in the past 10 years has been multimedia focused, especially AVX. also desktop is a much larger market and the focus of the uarchs is subject to argument with what info people outside the company have.

[savantu]

So 12.5% better per core is the deal ?

Depends on frequency.

[JF-AMD]

So 12.5% better per core is the deal ?

how about 50% at the socket level. How often do you get that much of an increase, especially on top of this year's 80-120% increase?

[ajaidev]

how about 50% at the socket level. How often do you get that much of an increase, especially on top of this year's 80-120% increase?

Is that a hint but we know what you mean, like what Athlon 64 did and what Core 2 did....

[LesGrossman]

Any word about running on AM3 or not?

[w0mbat]

remember, a 16-core interlagos has 8 bulldozer modules. u cant compare CMT to a full 2nd core. yes, its more than SMT, but still less than a complete core.

@LesGrossman: its a server cpu...

[terrace215]

how about 50% at the socket level. How often do you get that much of an increase, especially on top of this year's 80-120% increase?

50% better AT WHAT?

For example, if the answer is "peak FLOPS", well, that would be a big disappointment, relative to what the competition is doing with SB, and relative to everyone's current BD expectations based on 256-wide FP.

50% better TPC and SAP-SD? Now that would be nice.

Not specifying what sort of "performance" you are talking about makes your claim of "50% improvement per socket" virtually impossible to interpret.

Imagine you are talking to a car salesman. He tells you, "Next year's model... boy, you're gonna love it! It's 50% better!" Of course, you say, "Umm. 50% better... how? mileage? top speed? what?"
If the salesman then said, "I can't tell you," you'd probably have a few choice words for him, before walking away...

[Manicdan]

youve asked that question a few times this week already, mind letting it go since hes said he cant comment more on it.

[Stukov]

50% better AT WHAT?

For example, if the answer is "peak FLOPS", well, that would be a big disappointment, relative to what the competition is doing with SB, and relative to everyone's current BD expectations based on 256-wide FP.

50% better TPC and SAP-SD? Now that would be nice.

Not specifying what sort of "performance" you are talking about makes your claim of "50% improvement per socket" virtually impossible to interpret.

Imagine you are talking to a car salesman. He tells you, "Next year's model... boy, you're gonna love it! It's 50% better!" Of course, you say, "Umm. 50% better... how? mileage? top speed? what?"
If the salesman then said, "I can't tell you," you'd probably have a few choice words for him, before walking away...

Anyone else getting tired of this guys continuous comments and beating of a dead horse?

[Manicdan]

Anyone else getting tired of this guys continuous comments and beating of a dead horse?

JFAMD isnt dead yet, but with this kind of beating i imagine it wont take much longer. i appreciate having him here talking directly too us, and dont want to scare him off.

[-Sweeper_]

JFAMD isnt dead yet, but with this kind of beating i imagine it wont take much longer. i appreciate having him here talking directly too us, and dont want to scare him off.

not really, unless that questions scare him..

[Shadov]

not really, unless that questions scare him..

JF can not comment on performance before the actual launch of the product. I guess thats clear to everyone besides the top screamers here (or is it just competition fishing for data?).

[MrMojoZ]

not really, unless that questions scare him..

Which has nothing to do with the issue now does it? He answered the question as much as he is going to, the repeated asking from the same poster is trying to accomplish what exactly? I know you are pro-Intel, but this should annoy anyone.

[terrace215]

He answered the question as much as he is going to

Then why is he bothering to repeatedly post "50% better", as without being more specific, the claim is not really meaningful? Why doesn't repeated vacuous marketing annoy you?

[-Sweeper_]

JF can not comment on performance before the actual launch of the product. I guess thats clear to everyone besides the top screamers here (or is it just competition fishing for data?).

Anyway, I wish there would be a checkbox ("no raging fanboys") when creating topics so they would remain invisible to the likes of terrace215.

hes ignoring those questions just fine, I just wonder if there will be more perf. data until launch, hot chips maybe?

[Helloworld_98]

maybe he can only post limited information

[Manicdan]

Then why is he bothering to repeatedly post "50% better", as without being more specific, the claim is not really meaningful? Why doesn't repeated vacuous marketing annoy you?

someone asked a question and he responded with the number he is allowed to mention. i dont expect him to break NDA, do you?