Andre Yang - Lifetime Ban

[Vapor]

xtreme enthusiasm!

Vapor will continue cpu block testing i hope

Yup, I'm still doing CPU and TIM testing that gets posted on skinneelabs.com

Vapor or co can post skinnee's result for sure... and he's still got the webbie doesn't he...

If skinnee has a result to post during his ban, I can post it here (GTX480 reviews will be done shortly--all the data level stuff is done, just the actual writing of reviews is left). And of course he can post his own tests and reviews on the site he owns

If the dudes are capable of lying and cheating for obserdly stupid reasons, whats to stop them from scewing a review in the direction of the most generous company?

I'm sorry but, detailed, decorated and well spoken are also the qualities of a damned good liar. With all the toolerant minds I've seen so far, its no wonder the wool gets pulled over the eyes so much these days.

skinneelabs has never received payment for any of our tests or reviews. Per FCC rules, full disclosure is required for what financial stake or benefit reviewers/bloggers have regarding what the review materials. skinneelabs has complied the entire time by stating in the review what was received and from where and has never received more than review material hardware.

The value of review hardware received vs. time consumed testing, writing, etc. makes minimum wage look generous. And then when the testing and writing is done, almost all of the hardware goes and sits in a closet waiting to be tested again later against newer products or with improved test equipment.

100% of the results on skinneelabs.com are unaltered, non-manipulated, unbiased, and clean. Uploading and taking credit for a 3DMark06 score that wasn't his is the only time I've ever skinnee have a lapse in judgement--unfortunately it was a huge lapse in judgement with huge repercussions.

The others won't be banned for long.

+1

The 1 year ban is an HWBot ban....the ban on XS is significantly shorter for all but Andre.

[El Gappo]

The 1 year ban is an HWBot ban....the ban on XS is significantly shorter for all but Andre.

Why?

[Origin_Unknown]

Quite interesting - good job on the investigation by all involved. It's quite sad that people would stoop so low

[knopflerbruce]

Why?

I ask myself the same question - what Andre did was definately bad, but the guys who received the scores are the ones who actually posted them and created the whole thing. They did have at least two chances to stop this nonsense - either by not accepting the scores, or by not uploading them at all.

[Splave]

I ask myself the same question - what Andre did was definately bad, but the guys who received the scores are the ones who actually posted them and created the whole thing. They did have at least two chances to stop this nonsense - either by not accepting the scores, or by not uploading them at all.

This

[ReverendMaynard]

I ask myself the same question - what Andre did was definately bad, but the guys who received the scores are the ones who actually posted them and created the whole thing. They did have at least two chances to stop this nonsense - either by not accepting the scores, or by not uploading them at all.

Possession is 9/10th's of the law, the more I think about this debacle, the more I seem to be pushing the blame on the people who received the score files and submitted them under their own power than AY himself. All he did was provide, he didn't execute. That doesn't make things any better for AY but the punishment should at least be even across the board here, if not, the people who submitted the scores should be given harsher punishment.

[brolloks]

^ Agree ...Selling a licensed gun to a person that goes out to kill someone...the seller is only the provider, the killer is who committed the crime...see the analogy.
Not saying Andre is innocent but the punishment should be across the board and the heaviest on the cheaters

[ARandomOWL]

^ exactly what I was thinking

[Lestat]

Woah... I'm speechless.

I'm not, andre has been cheating the system for as long as i have been here.
i warned people a long time ago on some of his asus board overclocks he was subcooling the northbridge to achieve such insane clocks and he denied it but later came out and said he did. i wasnt the accuser i just heard wind of it and passed it on.

there have been MULTIPLE other documented cases of him blatantly cheating and lieing about it.

once a liar and a cheat always a liar and a cheater


and am speechless that any of you who have been around here long enough are in shock,,, this is a long time coming and about damn time.

good riddance, all he did was inflate hardware sales for the manufacturer for his own personal gain.

now its time we start looking at the people he has been working for and start questioning their results and methods.

and YES the guys involved are just as dirty and scandalous as Andre and they deserve the same fate he does.. period.

[Leeghoofd]

DARN THE SHARK IS BACK FROM THE DEEP; lo Lestat

[OhNoes!]

Ahem, I can hear a pin drop.
The last few posts highlight wht I'm sure is at the back of the mind of most posters - the seemingly disproportionate penalty, as far as XS is concerned. All the guys involved are grown men, so it's not like an adult serving alcohol to a kid, though they'd both receive proportionate "consequences" when caught. So why such extremely skewed punishment? Somebody, please save us the work of reading through posting histories, hehe.

DARN THE SHARK IS BACK FROM THE DEEP; lo Lestat

I know, right? The proverbial pot vs kettle.

[El Gappo]

Ahem, I can hear a pin drop.
The last few posts highlight wht I'm sure is at the back of the mind of most posters - the seemingly disproportionate penalty, as far as XS is concerned. All the guys involved are grown men, so it's not like an adult serving alcohol to a kid, though they'd both receive proportionate "consequences" when caught. So why such extremely skewed punishment? Somebody, please save us the work of reading through posting histories, hehe.

Lets sum it up.

"BAN BAN BAN BAN"

"ARHHHHH but he was such a nice guy he would never cheat. He posted in the water cooling section all the time "

"Ok lets just ban that guy and hit all the others with this little ban hammer to make it seem fair"

[Solus Corvus]

I think tolerating or being lenient with some individuals about cheating sends the wrong message. That with the right connections, reputation, etc you can cheat and get off easier. Sure, it's sad to lose some very valuable individuals, but it's not like they didn't know that there could be serious consequences when they decided to engage in it.

IMO, lifetime bans for all. On HWBOT too.

[saaya]

huh?
does anybody know WHY andre would want to mess with the competition?

andre has never taken rules all that seriously, so i can imagine that he did something like this to cause some trouble, prove a point, or just for fun...
but hiwa? skinee? using andres scores? that makes no sense at all to me...

btw george, you patting andre on the back and calling him a good guy, wow
now ive seen it all ^^

[kromosto]

I'm not, andre has been cheating the system for as long as i have been here.
i warned people a long time ago on some of his asus board overclocks he was subcooling the northbridge to achieve such insane clocks and he denied it but later came out and said he did. i wasnt the accuser i just heard wind of it and passed it on.

there have been MULTIPLE other documented cases of him blatantly cheating and lieing about it.

once a liar and a cheat always a liar and a cheater


and am speechless that any of you who have been around here long enough are in shock,,, this is a long time coming and about damn time.

good riddance, all he did was inflate hardware sales for the manufacturer for his own personal gain.

now its time we start looking at the people he has been working for and start questioning their results and methods.

and YES the guys involved are just as dirty and scandalous as Andre and they deserve the same fate he does.. period.

[Movieman]

Lets sum it up.

"BAN BAN BAN BAN"

"ARHHHHH but he was such a nice guy he would never cheat. He posted in the water cooling section all the time "

"Ok lets just ban that guy and hit all the others with this little ban hammer to make it seem fair"

Now this is just my personal opinion but I think the reasoning behind Andre being banned forever from XS while the others get a lighter " penalty" has to do with all the individuals being looked at from a wider perspective.
Andre's name has come up more than once but not the others.
Is this fair or right? Maybe, maybe not. Depends in how you want to see this.
I'm not saying I totally agree as I can make good arguments from both perspectives but I can undertsand why Charles did what he did.

[Splave]

sorry for OT but, what kinda ban hammer says toffee on it? I acutally lol'd

[charlie]

it all goes back to the corporate overclockers... the "connected" overclockers. They ruin the hobby. If someone sites down with a tray of ES processors and unreleased gear and blows up the HWBOT... who cares?

Look back at the "golden years" of OC'ing... the early to mid 2000's. You had NORMAL people running down to the closest Fry's electronics and having screenshots by that night... competition was tight because everyone was basically using the same gear, same cooling, same methods...

[[XC] gomeler]

sorry for OT but, what kinda ban hammer says toffee on it? I acutally lol'd

A tasty one?

[Xoulz]

I've met Andre and he is a nice guy... sorry to hear about this. Lifetime?



err.. can't we all just smoke some weed and get along?

[El Gappo]

It's a toffee hammer for smashing toffee

I see your point MM but wouldn't Andre of been banned straight off the bat if he had been caught outright like this the first time?

Just because he did it better doesn't mean the others didn't have the same intentions and wont continue to do so.

[Hondacity]

@el gappo

NCspecv81 16th post in your thread. Was that photoshopped? or TheGoat_Eater did message him that?

[Sniper]

Andre should be punished harder because of his position as a leaer of hwbot and connections with hw dealers etc.
And Saaya and all of you guys who knowns each others by personal name, could you please use their nick names insteed so others can follow ?

[Leeghoofd]

I know, right? The proverbial pot vs kettle.

Compelte Off topic reply : just look at lestat's Avatar. There's the Shark :p Don't look for anything in there, it's just an avatar and Lestat can bite ferociously too :p

[antiacid]

I'm sorry if I'm not quite crying and being all sad about this debacle.

To me, OC contests are pissing contests. A bunch of dudes get together and see who gets the luckiest with equipment. Sharing results is of course a dumb thing to do (it just shows how un-mature this scene is, that something like this is even possible). However, there's two problems with these bans: First, nothing prevents them from submitting results again through a proxy (not just the technology, also a proxy person) and getting "glory" like that. Second, I think that it shows the limitation of these types of competition to a point where other people might just be turned off from competitive overclocking. I mean, seriously, one dude with a single setup ends up getting winning positions in 3 different countries...wtf? Do they not have good players over there at all? Is the competition so weak that perhaps there shouldn't even be this kind of event at all, yet? It makes the entire "competitive overclocking" scene look weak and uninteresting. At that point, it would've been better for the entire scene to just pretend like this didn't happen, fix the competition format, get more people involved, attain critical mass, then actually start policing the scene properly, when it actually matters.

Now that bans are out, dirty laundry has been cleaned in public (for who's best interest again?) and people have commented, we can already see the negative backlash going in obvious directions (i.e. these guys must have cheated on everything they ever did, therefore nobody can trust their reviews anymore...right...)

Anyway, it's not like the guys made up fake scores, those were actually legit results from one guy who couldn't be bothered to get all the fame (lol?) to himself. If anything, it is such a small storm in a glass of water that I doubt anybody is going to care by next week. Those who will remember, I can count using my fingers.