PhenomMsrTweaker: Cool and Quiet customized

[zanzabar]

here is what its doing
http://i47.tinypic.com/vr4jd1.png

and yes i figured that it was a bios bug, but i have a 790fx gd70 and msi sucks with distributing beta bioses and fixing problems that wont effect sales.


i do love the program im just a little confused. and when u said that AOD displays the VID of the core but each core gets the actual voltage, that would mean that since cool and quiet is disabled it would read the voltage to the cores so they would all have the same actual, so thats what it would display?

[kink]

Well, this screenshot is confusing me too. All I can say is that there's definitely no issue concerning writing the desired VIDs to each core's P-states. Although I would have guessed that the BIOS cannot interfere here, I strongly suspect that the faulty BIOS is the cause of this phenomenon. But since the actual voltage is 1.1875V in this case anyway, it doesn't change anything.
I'd suggest reducing the number of samples further. For example: if there's a single-threaded load (and no other relevant loads) and the thread hasn't been manually bound to a single core, the Windows scheduler re-assigns it to different cores over time. Using your settings, a core in P4 (800 MHz) switches to P3 (1600 MHz) only if the thread has been assigned to it for about 4*50 = 200 ms. After another 200 ms of constant assignment, it switches to P2 (2200 MHz) and so on. Based on my experiments, the scheduler re-assigns the threads rather frequently, so I'd rather suggest something like 2*25 ms for up and down (and maybe even enabling "aggressive up" to switch directly to 3200 MHz after 50 ms of constant load). Just experiment with a single Prime95 thread (or the like) yourself and measure the performance decrease compared to ganged C&Q or no C&Q at all, it may be huge! Also note that you do not have to use custom C&Q as default C&Q is supposed to work pretty well on Phenom II and Windows >= Vista. PhenomMsrTweaker then simply applies your P-states and lets the driver switch between them.

[zanzabar]

well its working in ganged mode, and the bios ms has for the thulban is a little off so i guess its a wait and see

[fastleo63]

Thanks to kink for this beautiful utility!
I found that I can raise the NB frequency to 266 MHz without problems (so I can run all my 8 GB RAM at 1066 MHz avoiding the 4 DIMM modules limitation). Now I am at 2500 MHz. But the problem is: if I raise the clock the "original" C&Q ceases to operate, leaving my 940 BE at full 3.0 GHz.
I thought to use this program to solve this problem.
But I have a little doubt: as I have to raise the NB-CPU voltage a little more than stock voltage, I need to set the value in PhenomMsrTweaker, but if the value is set only in BIOS, when the program starts, the voltage (I suppose) will go back to default (in fact I tried, but always getting a BSOD).
I thought about a possible solution:
1) I leave the BIOS NB-VID and reference clock to default settings
2) I boot the system and set the NB-VID in PhenomMsrTweaker to the deisred (higher) value (to ensure stability with NB-CPU at 2600 MHz clock)
3) I reboot and set the voltage as above and raise ref. clock from 250 to 266 MHz in BIOS settings
4) I save the setting and reboot
Do you think it is the right procedure?
Thank you for your kind attention,
L.

[_Dert_]

Hi all.
Is there any possibility to change my NB VID with this tool or K10stats on my Phenom 9500 and Foxconn Destroyer?.. Which setting should i use in BIOS? Now it is ******* locked on 1,25V!

[m0n4g3]

Hi Kink,

Is there any way you can change how much voltage is allowed to be applied in PMSRT?

It seems like 1.55 is great amount, BUT i think i need a lil bit more to push for the 4.6ghz mark.... LOL

Thanks kink!

[kink]

Is there any way you can change how much voltage is allowed to be applied in PMSRT?

Nope, 1.55V is the maximum VID. But if you additionally raise the Vcore in BIOS, the BIOS might apply the difference from the original Vcore to every VID. We've already had this VID => Vcore topic in this thread a couple of times.

Is there any possibility to change my NB VID with this tool or K10stats on my Phenom 9500 and Foxconn Destroyer?

I can't tell you, just have a try. I suppose it's gonna work.

Which setting should i use in BIOS?

It doesn't really matter, but I'd suggest starting with the default one (the locked 1.25V if I understood correctly).

@fastleo:
The procedure you described seems a little too complicated to me. I suppose you can just set and apply your settings in full overclocked mode. When you first start PhenomMsrTweaker (the GUI) it displays your current multipliers and VIDs for every P-state. If the NB VID in P0 is not the same as the voltage you set in the BIOS, the BIOS probably applies the difference from the original voltage as fixed offset to every VID, so keep an eye out for that one. But anyway, I think you only need to make sure all P-states specify the same NB VID (most likely P0's VID pre-set by your BIOS). Since the effective NB voltage is governed by the maximum NB VID of all cores, it may drop to an unstable value as soon as no core is in P0 anymore (if your BIOS hasn't applied the higher VID to all P-states, which was my first guess). Distinti saluti
/edit: Btw, my setup is similar to yours (also due to the memory controller limitations) - my reference clock is at 250 MHz atm (used to be >260 MHz too), the NB is clocked at 9x250=2250 MHz. I increased the NB VID in BIOS to keep it stable until the tweaker service is started. The service then applies the higher NB VID to all P-states. The only difference is that I'm using a Phenom I, but I suppose this doesn't matter here.

[cartago2202]

kink, you will also be needed again in HLuxx

[mrcmark]

thanks for this great tweaker!

[mattkosem]

Works great with my 890GPA-UD3H and 95W 1055T! Thanks for saving me 25w at idle :-)

--Matt

[Goldlocke]

Kink, thanks again for this awesome tool!

[DexNfX]

Yeah...thank you for the tool!

[Repoman]

bump and another thank you. Using a late 2010 week 955 X4 with -

P0 - 3.6GHz 1.3V
P1 - 1.6GHz 0.83V

2.6GHz CPU-NB with 1.34V, will try lowering to 1.31V.

Now P1 uses less power than stock CnQ at twice the frequency. DeltaT of 4C between idle and load

[liberato87]

Hi
I cant make it work on the crosshair V formula..
It doesnt apply the settings.. maybe for the the new chipset unsopported yet?

[XRL8]

Software isnt developed no more.It doesnt work for me either (properly) even though i have 790FX witx x6 (it worked on x4).Pity, as it was brilliant.

[liberato87]

Software isnt developed no more.It doesnt work for me either (properly) even though i have 790FX witx x6 (it worked on x4).Pity, as it was brilliant.

its a pity..
I used k10stat but it doesnt work on the CH V so I tryied this but same thing. I think chipset not supported yet.

[Manicdan]

i think someone needs to get on this asap, love this program and hope ones like it exist really soon for when BD is out

[mattkosem]

Software isnt developed no more.It doesnt work for me either (properly) even though i have 790FX witx x6 (it worked on x4).Pity, as it was brilliant.

That's odd. It works fine with my X6 on 785G, 890GX, and 890FX boards. What is it complaining about?

--Matt

[m411b]

Works great on new Gigabyte UD7 w/ 955! Not a hiccup one. Great software, and I agree someone should jump on this like flies on to make it better and more user friendly with more features. I would but I don't have the knowledge needed.

EDIT: Only problem I am having is it won't keep my changes after a reboot. I haven't tried to run it as admin though. So, that may fix it. I will report back!

[zanzabar]

Software isnt developed no more.It doesnt work for me either (properly) even though i have 790FX witx x6 (it worked on x4).Pity, as it was brilliant.

make sure that u have it set so it changes all the cores at the same time, aka ganged mode.

[doveman]

This great utility works pretty well for me on my Athlon II X4 630, except I can't work out what settings to use to keep my CPU in P3 when I'm not doing much.

At the moment it's constantly switching between P3 and P2, with some jumps to P0, when my cores are around 25-35% (Total CPU <40%). I've got PhenomMSRTweaker set to Ganged, Sampling Interval - 50, Load Thresholds 50 & 20, Consecutive Samples 2 & 8, Aggressive Up disabled.

[Daveburt714]

Kink: Not sure if your still around, but a version of "BulldozerMsrTweaker" would be awesome!

IMHO, this was one of the best and most useful progys for Phenom ever released...
I'm affraid to try the Phenom version on BD. I'm sure the registers have changed, hopefully that may make it easy to modify by a person with your skills!

Oh well, it's a shot in the dark, just thought I'd throw it out there....

[Manicdan]

+1
i even have a few ideas for improvements (it didnt like when you disable some cores and forgot to clean out the registry)

[cyclometric]

now supports setting the max number of cores in the Turbo state when using custom C&Q (also allows you to disable the Turbo). Higher multis should be allowed now, e.g. for 1055T. Could someone owning a Thuban check whether the Turbo works as expected when using custom C&Q? I still have my Phenom I 9950, can't test it myself...

Hey, Kink,

I've been reading up on the behavior of PHMSRTwkr wrt Turbo & CNQ, like what you wrote a while ago (came from late 2010 I think).

I have 1090T, and in bios:
FSB=230, Multi=Auto (16), Turbo=Enabled, multi auto (18), CNQ=Disabled

In PhenomMSRTweaker, P0 has 18 multi (that's Turbo, right?), P1 = 16x, etc. On Service page, have checked "Enable Turbo Cores", with 4 selected. Unfortunately, once I turn on PhenomMSRTweaker, the cores never go to PO. If I turn off the service, the turbo cores do get activated and run at 18x, the default on the 1090T.

I wonder my PMSRT profile is "stuck", cuz for a while ran with Custom CNQ, with Balanced only going from P1-P3. Thought I might try uninstalling/reinstalling and see if that fixes it.

But what do you mean about having both Turbo and Custom CNQ enabled? It seems like the UI makes them mutually exclusive, unless you mean running Custom CNQ with CNQ disabled in BIOS, and the OS handling Turbo.

[SEA]

perfectly works in Windows 8 with X6 1055T