[Computex 2010]AMD to show Fusion tomorrow

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A YEAR AGO, AMD showed off the first Evergreen part, it was a Juniper wafer and a card behind the scenes. Tomorrow morning, Taiwan time, a few birds told us that ATI will be showing off Fusion silicon.

Word is that AMD will be showing off one of their Fusion chips, which narrows it down to Llano or Ontario. Both are potentially coming this year, so either one is possible. Ontario combines Evergreen shaders and a Bobcat core, Llano adds Evergreen to a 32nm Shanghai derivative. Exactly what AMD will demo tomorrow is anyone's guess, but at least you know what is officially going to be shown at the keynote tomorrow. Llano and Ontario are going to be game changers, so keep a close eye on what is said tomorrow.S|A

update:

I think this is a game changer in the mobile arena, were amd has a piss poor market share compared to desktop. Also, it is going to be a while until intel can beat this.

http://www.ustream.tv/channel/amd-computex-2010

That is the channel were it is going to be transmited today at 10PM ET, 10AM of june 2 in taipei, maybe OP can update his post with this info

EDIT no2:

The demoed chip was 40nm Bobcat(Ontario),with ~80SPs and very low power x86 CPU cores. Mainstream desktop/mobile will be Llano,a 2-3Ghz QuadCore/Dual core 32nm SOI (reworked)Shanghai derivative,with ~480SP,25-125W.

http://www.pcper.com/comments.php?nid=8867

Ryan Shrout from PCPer said in the article that he knows for sure the demo was done on Ontario silicon(and confirmed indirectly by what Bergman said about targeted netbook segment).
"Specifics were light, but I do know that the APU being shown was not the desktop variant built on 32nm technology but rather was the 40nm Ontario core built at TSMC and aimed at the Atom markets. AMD obviously feels they have a strong advantage in this market with the APU as they are putting focus on it rather than the Llano-based notebook and desktop parts that were originally billed to be the first Fusion parts available. If you were reading this hoping to get a hint of the clock speeds, die sizes or shader counts for Ontario you and I are both disappointed - AMD continues to hold that very close to the chest."

[D-Cyph3r V2]

Something to look forward to I suppose. I dont see AMD being able to challenge Intel at the top end for quite some time (though I am optimistic Bulldozer will at least allow them to catch up somewhat), but they can definitely bring some hurt with some mid-range, well priced Fusion-based platforms that OEM's will gobble up.

[FlanK3r]

whau!

[Solus Corvus]

Llano a game changer?

[SKYMTL]

Fusion is very interesting for the lower-end market and that's it for the time being. Still it is an exciting product to say the least.

This will compete with Intel's IGP offerings but probably smash Intel's IGP performance in the face

"Game Changer"? Someone's been smoking the good stuff I see... it would have been a game changer two years ago. Now? Not so much.

[Xoulz]

Well considering that 90% of the populace who do own/buy computers, usually buy medium to low-end systems, I can easily see this being a massive "game changer"... as Intel has nothing to compete, correct?

Many people here tend to forget XtremeSystems represent less than 1% of the people who buys computers. Only a few forums have the level of "characters" we have here...

[Mechromancer]

Well considering that 90% of the populace who do own/buy computers, usually buy medium to low-end systems, I can easily see this being a massive "game changer"... as Intel has nothing to compete, correct?

Many people here tend to forget XtremeSystems represent less than 1% of the people who buys computers. Only a few forums have the level of "characters" we have here...

Core i3 kinda competes. The CPU portion of Llano likely won't perform as well as Intel cores so the GPU will be the real winner here. We all know that AMD GPUs > Intel GPUs so I'm not worried for Llano. Also AMD is supposed to have pulled out all the stops for low power consumption so this platform may be the new killer app for laptops.

[Manicdan]

i believe a nettop that beats a PS3 in graphics, and can cost <500$ would be called a game changer.

[Pontos]

whau!

Uhm, your sig is ten times bigger than your message... Don't you think it would be a good idea to shorten it a bit?
Or at least don't use bold letters in your PC specs...

[Chumbucket843]

Well considering that 90% of the populace who do own/buy computers, usually buy medium to low-end systems, I can easily see this being a massive "game changer"... as Intel has nothing to compete, correct?

Many people here tend to forget XtremeSystems represent less than 1% of the people who buys computers. Only a few forums have the level of "characters" we have here...

dont underestimate the market for enthusiast hardware. in terms of revenue it is about 3.8% of semiconductor industry and 46% of dollars spent on gaming hardware.
http://www.guru3d.com/news/enthusias...illion-market/

[Hornet331]

dont underestimate the market for enthusiast hardware. in terms of revenue it is about 3.8% of semiconductor industry and 46% of dollars spent on gaming hardware.
http://www.guru3d.com/news/enthusias...illion-market/

Which basically means, gamers dont game on igps and know what to buy...

Anyway, bring on the demonstration i want some numbers.

[Shadov]

Which basically means, gamers dont game on igps and know what to buy...

Anyway, bring on the demonstration i want some numbers.

Im sure you wont see any - as mentioned its a presentation not benchmarking session.

[Olivon]

Cool ! A great step for AMD

[SKYMTL]

i believe a nettop that beats a PS3 in graphics, and can cost <500$ would be called a game changer.

A Nettop yes. Netbook? No.

I'm personally anxious to see power consumption and TDP figures.

[hurleybird]

So can we all agree that it has the *potential* to be a game changer, depending on pricing, performance, and TDP? Get something like this into small enough of a form factor this thing could give PC gaming the kick in the pants it needs.

[Solus Corvus]

So can we all agree that it has the *potential* to be a game changer, depending on pricing, performance, and TDP? Get something like this into small enough of a form factor this thing could give PC gaming the kick in the pants it needs.

I think it will help AMD be more competitive with Intel. To be a game changer they need a better CPU core in their fusion product.

As for gaming, the hardware isn't the problem and hasn't been for a long time. The problem is the game purchasing habits of gamers.

[JohnJohn]

I think this is a game changer in the mobile arena, were amd has a piss poor market share compared to desktop. Also, it is going to be a while until intel can beat this.

http://www.ustream.tv/channel/amd-computex-2010

That is the channel were it is going to be transmited today at 10PM ET, 10AM of june 2 in taipei, maybe OP can update his post with this info

[Kal El]

i have been study amd, ever since i learned that they exist! they seem to be good company. i never knew amd and ati were one! i will watch and learn so i can better understand. thank you.

[chuchnit]

dont underestimate the market for enthusiast hardware. in terms of revenue it is about 3.8% of semiconductor industry and 46% of dollars spent on gaming hardware.
http://www.guru3d.com/news/enthusias...illion-market/

Thank you for that link. Exactly what I've been preaching for a while. We matter more to the market than people wanna give us credit for. 9.5 billion is not chump change. Especially since it mostly consist of high margin parts.

[terrace215]

Leslie Sobon, vice president of product and marketing, told Dow Jones Newswires on the sidelines of the Computex show that computers using Fusion chips are on track to hit store shelves in the first half of next year. She said the chips will contribute "significantly" to AMD's revenue next year, without providing further details. Sobon said the chips will provide higher performance such as better video quality and faster response time while reducing power consumption and cost. She said all of AMD's existing PC customers such as Hewlett-Packard Co., Dell Inc., Acer Inc., Asustek Computer Inc. and Toshiba Corp. will launch Fusion embedded PCs ranging from netbooks to desktops by the end of 2011. On the matter of entering the chip market for tablets and smartphones, Sobon said the company has no specific plan any time soon.



So... Llano product rollout begins in H1 2011, widespread by the end of 2011...

Doesn't that seem a little later than recent expectations?

[Mats]

So... Llano product rollout begins in H1 2011, widespread by the end of 2011...

Doesn't that seem a little later than recent expectations?

Yeah, everyone said it would show up this year, but I don't know where that rumour came from.

[Florinmocanu]

Well, it says "computers using fusion chips". Maybe we will see the CPUs released at the beginning of 2011 as rumoured and ofc, the big PC producers will roll out their products based on it later on.

[Xoulz]

Core i3 kinda competes. The CPU portion of Llano likely won't perform as well as Intel cores so the GPU will be the real winner here. We all know that AMD GPUs > Intel GPUs so I'm not worried for Llano. Also AMD is supposed to have pulled out all the stops for low power consumption so this platform may be the new killer app for laptops.

That is my point.

My mother, neighbor or "Average Joe" never dead-heads their CPU's. But nearly every one of them stresses their graphic subsystem.

For 90% of the people on the planet, any $99 quad core is powerful enough for anything they could ever hope to do. Today, CPU power is basically a moot point for those people.

[tajoh111]

I haven't seen anything from AMD deliver competitive performance in the low power segment. I haven't seen a AMD based laptop win a editor choice or even a recommendation from any website.

It might be a game changer performance wise, but AMD has an aweful stigma following it when it comes to laptops and unlike its desktops chips, its well deserved. Unless they market their chips properly(i.e The AMD vision program stinks), even if it is the greatest chip in the world, it won't do them that much.

One stigma AMD will need to fight too is the idea that a gaming laptop cannot be using an integrated chip.

That is my point.

My mother, neighbor or "Average Joe" never dead-heads their CPU's. But nearly every one of them stresses their graphic subsystem.

For 90% of the people on the planet, any $99 quad core is powerful enough for anything they could ever hope to do. Today, CPU power is basically a moot point for those people.

Unless your mother is a gamer, I can't see your mom stressing her graphics chip. Unless its a Atom that needs a graphics chip to accelerate HD video, which is still pretty rare, a powerful GPU is useless.

The general public will always want more powerful CPUs over GPU's because time is money. Additionally have both a powerful gpu and cpu takes a hit on battery life.

[saaya]

this will be a game changer for oems and laptops... but mainstream to highend pcs, nah...