[S/A]How Nvidia blacklists sites like Hardware Secrets

[stinkas]

@stinkas: for what is worth, SKYMTL is just one of the many users that XS has, but with the little difference that he is a reviewer...but thats all.

So, lets forget about him as a user (as everything he says or writes is merely his opinion, although many people seems to think that is "hardware canucks" talking, when its not) and lets talk about his reviews: could you please search for anything on his well-written reviews that could make you think that he is biased? If you will not even bother, stop calling somebody Biased for non-reason, specially when he is a user as you, me and anybody else and, as such, he has an opinion...that he hasn't stated yet. Have you seen him claiming how big is his love for NVIDIA? No. What he does is show some light, some different POV of the situation because we are only getting light from one direction...and both parties have the rights to be heard and, only then, one should make his judgment. So, for that, I would like to thank you, SKYMTL, you really seem a honest guy showing both what you like and what you don't about whatever you review, and that is only good.

With all that said...I can't say I'm happy with NVIDIA, at all. I just don't like their attitude lately, but so what? I own two GT200 products, one G92 and another G94 products (no ATI except one X1950pro). So, imagine how biased I am when I say that his philosphy and attitude is 100% crap but his products are not...guess what: this is not a religion. You don't have to like the companies attitude in order to like its products, and THIS IS A FACT.

http://www.hardwarecanucks.com/forum...review-18.html

To me the conclusion reads like someone who is biased but trying not to come off as biased. One minute SLI minimums are king, then the next Xfire is scaling better etc.

Everyone has bias, this is not the issue. The issue comes when it is preventing someone from being completely objective.
SKYMTL's comments in this forum seem to indicate a deep bias that prevents him from seeing what some of us would describe as obvious. He just gives the impression that he believes Nv can do no wrong, and anyone who says different no matter how legitimate a source they are, is either lying or simply mistaken and confused.

[MpG]

http://www.hardwarecanucks.com/forum...review-18.html

To me the conclusion reads like someone who is biased but trying not to come off as biased. One minute SLI minimums are king, then the next Xfire is scaling better etc.

Everyone has bias, this is not the issue. The issue comes when it is preventing someone from being completely objective.
SKYMTL's comments in this forum seem to indicate a deep bias that prevents him from seeing what some of us would describe as obvious. He just gives the impression that he believes Nv can do no wrong, and anyone who says different no matter how legitimate a source they are, is either lying or simply mistaken and confused.

Honestly don't get it. He ran the benches and got numbers from them. The SLI min's were overall better. The X-fire scaling was overall better. The X-Fire power consumption was overall better. And he writes as much.

"We’re just not that excited about it because ATI threw a live hand grenade into the SLI party by posting performance increases that were simply jaw-dropping in nearly every respect."

"it becomes extremely hard to recommend a GTX 470 SLI setup at this point in time for someone who isn’t hell-bent on going with NVIDIA cards."

What exactly would you see done differently?

[stinkas]

Honestly don't get it. He ran the benches and got numbers from them. The SLI min's were overall better. The X-fire scaling was overall better. The X-Fire power consumption was overall better. And he writes as much.

What exactly would you see done differently?

If your an average consumer looking for guidance, then your sol.
He should of explained that minimum fps was the more crucial factor and that SLI in it's current state is the better option for smoother fps, not average.

Why then go on to say something over the top about xfire throwing a hand grenade in the SLI party and that xfire scaling is out of this world when most people (i think) believe min fps to be the more crucial factor?
It just sounded like it was a token bone that was thrown to Ati, ironically to avoid being labelled biased.

[annihilat0r]

Everyone has bias, this is not the issue. The issue comes when it is preventing someone from being completely objective.
SKYMTL's comments in this forum seem to indicate a deep bias that prevents him from seeing what some of us would describe as obvious. He just gives the impression that he believes Nv can do no wrong, and anyone who says different no matter how legitimate a source they are, is either lying or simply mistaken and confused.

I think it's exactly the opposite. Let me tell you why.

On XS (and on a lot of other hardware forums) there are more ATI fanboys than Nvidia fanboys. Those ATI boys, who I believe include you but I haven't checked your posts thoroughly so I am not certain, bash Nvidia on EVERY possible occassion. They even bash Nv on "impossible" occassions at the cost of sounding funny. The NV fanboys do the same too, of course; but they are much less numerous so there isn't a stupid anti-ATI thing going on in the whole forum.

SKYMTL is one of those who sees the incredible bias on such fanboys and usually replies with a sensible post, which is not Nvidia "biased" but sounds pro-Nvidia BECAUSE the claims themselves are so ridiculously anti-Nvidia.

I'm sure you didn't get what I am saying, so here is an example:

"lol nvidia sux look at vantage 480 isnt faster than 5870 lol" --> devoid of any sense, and very anti-Nvidia.

Sensible, unbiased answer to this SHOULD be pro-Nvidia.

So what happens you are in a place when stupid posts like the above anti-NV example are the norm? You try to correct every one of them, and so you have to be pro-Nvidia on every one of them - and then another jackass comes and blames you for being "Nvidia biased" even if you write the best GPU reviews on the Internet. Funny.

[stinkas]

I think it's exactly the opposite. Let me tell you why.

On XS (and on a lot of other hardware forums) there are more ATI fanboys than Nvidia fanboys. Those ATI boys, who I believe include you but I haven't checked your posts thoroughly so I am not certain, bash Nvidia on EVERY possible occassion. They even bash Nv on "impossible" occassions at the cost of sounding funny. The NV fanboys do the same too, of course; but they are much less numerous so there isn't a stupid anti-ATI thing going on in the whole forum.

SKYMTL is one of those who sees the incredible bias on such fanboys and usually replies with a sensible post, which is not Nvidia "biased" but sounds pro-Nvidia BECAUSE the claims themselves are so ridiculously anti-Nvidia.

I'm sure you didn't get what I am saying, so here is an example:

"lol nvidia sux look at vantage 480 isnt faster than 5870 lol" --> devoid of any sense, and very anti-Nvidia.

Sensible, unbiased answer to this SHOULD be pro-Nvidia.

So what happens you are in a place when stupid posts like the above anti-NV example are the norm? You try to correct every one of them, and so you have to be pro-Nvidia on every one of them - and then another jackass comes and blames you for being "Nvidia biased" even if you write the best GPU reviews on the Internet. Funny.

Simply being anti Nv does not make someone 'pro' anything else.
I'm 'pro' seeing companies not using bully tactics to get their way over smaller companies. I'm 'pro' seeing companies tell the truth, or at least not telling blatant lies.

If Nv fanboy's are drying up, then it's Nv's own fault! Also if they didn't conduct themselves in such a poor manor they wouldn't get anywhere near the level of negativity thrown in their direction.
To put it simply, "What you sow, so shall you reap".

[annihilat0r]

Simply being anti Nv does not make someone 'pro' anything else.
I'm 'pro' seeing companies not using bully tactics to get their way over smaller companies. I'm 'pro' seeing companies tell the truth, or at least not telling blatant lies.

If Nv fanboy's are drying up, then it's Nv's own fault! Also if they didn't conduct themselves in such a poor manor they wouldn't get anywhere near the level of negativity thrown in their direction.
To put it simply, "What you sow, so shall you reap".

haha yeah, that's enough reason to ditch reason and go madly anti-nvidia and calling the writer of the most unbiased reviews out there biased. uh huh. yeah.

[prava]

http://www.hardwarecanucks.com/forum...review-18.html

To me the conclusion reads like someone who is biased but trying not to come off as biased. One minute SLI minimums are king, then the next Xfire is scaling better etc.

You have to be really kidding...or otherwise you can read better english that I do (which wouldn't be surprising as English is not my first language...not even my second). So, lets check SKYMTL conclusion and seek for that "clear bias" you are calling him to have...

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However, the facts are quite clear: in general, ATI’s cards offer better multi GPU scaling than anything NVIDIA can currently offer. Believe it or not, NVIDIA’s SLI scaling is actually very, very good considering we saw on average a 60% to 81% increase when going from one card to two. We’re just not that excited about it because ATI threw a live hand grenade into the SLI party by posting performance increases that were simply jaw-dropping in nearly every respect. It is because of this dual card scaling that a HD 5850 Crossfire setup can make up a ton of lost ground when compared to ATI’s single GPU scores. On the other hand, the HD 5970 is simply trampled by the GTX 470 SLI setup.

Luckily for NVIDIA, we didn’t stop at the average framerates and included (as usual) minimums as well. In this category the GTX 470 SLI is still head and shoulders above the competition when IQ settings are pushed since it doesn’t exhibit the numerous dips in performance that characterize the Crossfire experience. I don’t know about you but I would much rather have a slightly lower average framerates if it means my system won’t bog down when I’m fighting for my life in a game. Basically, a fluid gaming experience is what SLI is ideal for…or at least until ATI can figure out a way to bring up their minimum framerates in some games.

(...)

While performance is good and minimum framerates are awe-inspiring, our main concerns about a GTX 470 SLI lie in two areas: price and power consumption. Both aspects wouldn’t have been too much of a concern if NVIDIA had managed to carry their average single card performance lead over the HD 5850 into multi card benchmarks. Unfortunately, that didn’t happen so as it stands we feel that spending $700 for two GTX 470 cards is a hard sell when you can buy a similarly performing solution from ATI for more than $100 less. When you add a power consumption gap of more than 100 watts into the equation, it becomes extremely hard to recommend a GTX 470 SLI setup at this point in time for someone who isn’t hell-bent on going with NVIDIA cards.

It is quite evident that while the GTX 470 is a clear winner against a single HD 5850, SLI is currently struggling to mirror the downright amazing scaling that Crossfire offers. Overall framerates for a GTX 470 SLI system are still incredible but the HD 5850 in Crossfire is simply too close for comfort in most cases. It is also important to remember that NVIDIA’s drives are still quite immature and multi card performance is usually one of the first things addressed when new versions are released. As such we intend to take another look at GTX 470 SLI performance in the future. While we can’t outright recommend going SLI in this case, it offers enough convincing performance wins that it should be at least considered by enthusiasts.

Yeah, I see a hell lot of bias in SKYMTL review, seriously. Its clear that he is pro-NVIDIA and that NVIDIA has its simpathy for such clear bias.

/sarcasm.

Please, you should stop this BS. What you are doing is nearly trolling...because you are accusing somebody of being biased without showing any proof of it. Well, you do...buts its clear to anybody's eyes that YOU are the biased ones as you are confusing the facts as the facts you like.

Everyone has bias, this is not the issue. The issue comes when it is preventing someone from being completely objective.
SKYMTL's comments in this forum seem to indicate a deep bias that prevents him from seeing what some of us would describe as obvious. He just gives the impression that he believes Nv can do no wrong, and anyone who says different no matter how legitimate a source they are, is either lying or simply mistaken and confused.

No. What SKYMTL is doing is just the opposite: you won't see him saying "physx is awesome, incredible and mandatory". He just says the truth: "physx is a feature and, as such, you should think about it". But he also says that GF100 is hot, powerhungry and more expensive than ATI...oh, sure, as that goes into the same you are thinking that is not bias.

Please, you are being totally ridicolous. Stop it.