Dragon F1

[chuchnit]

K|ngp|n, a little birdy told me that probe holes are gonna be standard issues on your pots. Any truth to this, or should I kill that bird?

[Kal-EL]

Latest unit came with pre-drilled holes.

[k|ngp|n]

K|ngp|n, a little birdy told me that probe holes are gonna be standard issues on your pots. Any truth to this, or should I kill that bird?

Yes, that is correct.

[3oh6]

Yes, that is correct.

Muhahaha, my bytching paid off...nice

[G H Z]

He drilled & milled everything else, you can't make one tiny little hole?

[ryba]

Making that one little hole in copper on skew surface is almost imposible if you don't have good tools to do that.

[Kal-EL]

Making that one little hole in copper on skew surface is almost imposible if you don't have good tools to do that.

I got 3 drill bits that permanently live inside my old F1 pot, I think they add to its load capacity

[k|ngp|n]

making that one little hole in copper on skew surface is almost imposible if you don't have good tools to do that.

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[3oh6]

He drilled & milled everything else, you can't make one tiny little hole?

i managed it...but me and my dremel with drill bit were not the best tools for the job

Making that one little hole in copper on skew surface is almost imposible if you don't have good tools to do that.

I got 3 drill bits that permanently live inside my old F1 pot, I think they add to its load capacity

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what they said ^^^

[k|ngp|n]

Here is a copy and paste from a pm I sent earlier, its has some good info in it on the performance of the F1 and why it is what is and does what it does.

"No disappointment on my end, F1 is for sure not for wprime, most will tell you that. Venom is, thats why I made it. The temps dont change at all at max temps/load really. The f1 is actually really easy to control @-150c when your using quad in vantage/o6. That unit is all about the load transition from game test to cpu test with quads. When you use the term temp control, what are you referring too?
Your ability to change temps and put them whereever you want? or the containers ability to "hold" a specific temp for a period of time maybe doing so sluggishly?
They are two different things. That violent boil off you talk about is something that top guys look for when benching heavy transitions from load-light load. Its a good thing, it mean the copper is more conductive and the container can rapidly move temps if needed (load transitions). I purposely torch the pot to get it to do that every bench session. "

I want to add that its been around 3 yrs since its design and it's still as potent in doing what it was designed for which is navigating RAPID temperature/load transitions through 06'/vantage cpu-game tests and keeping the system stable.
1.95v on gulftown 6.45-6.5ghz 06/vantage is within the original tuning on this container still.
Like I said above in the pm, this unit was designed for temperature control in 06 originally. Temp control has become a loose term in more modern times, so I need to define what temp control is within the realm of my units and how it relates to the F1 specifically. It goes back to the transitions between cpu tests and game test and being able to put the temperature where you need it. Say 6.5ghz game test/6.3ghz cpu test with 10-15c temp requirement difference between the two. Cant be stuck with a full pot of LN2 if your working with a cold bug limit or you F'd. So in 06 for example, gt1 gt2 are benched with the F1 pot just about empty with semi-frequent trickles as cpu test approaches, you know you have to be 12c colder on start of first cpu test so just as the fireflies dissapear you HAMMER the F1 with LN2. Really good Ln2 benchers with the f1 have the timing down perfectly and it will vary from cpu to cpu and load, but at the start of the cpu test is will be powered up and get you get down to the temperature you need and then start of 2nd cpu test where you can hold it with container nearly empty again but let it go emtpy towards end of cpu test and you can usually make it into canyon at a safe temperature with pot compeltely empty and I usually let it warmup even warmer than I ran gt1/gt2 for canyon and deep freeze. So really the key here is not being stuck with a full pot because the container can't keep up with the temp transition at benching temperature of -145c to 170c. That's the zone this container was tuned for with qx6700 a long time ago. Its still the zone even with gulftown 6.5ghz 1.9v 06/vantage.

Now some guys probably notice that when you first fire up the rig and start pulling down the unit, if you go right to -145c and go right into benchmark and try to run, the container is too sluggish to control temps and runs with alot of ln2 in it. The temps dont swing at all really. This is bad situation for benching vantage/06. The container needs to be "primed" to be violent
You need to turn the F1 into Mr Angry, before its time to bench. Then it will NEVER run full pot in the zone its tuned for. Heres how I do it and A LOT of other bigtime benchers do it: Bring the unit down to about -100c, then let it go empty and hit the internals completely with a torch for about ten seconds until there is a nice thin layer of frost. Now pour some LN2 into the dragon, and watch those temps fly

[hokiealumnus]

Wow. I've never touched LN2 before, but I've read as much as I can about it. In that one post, you just told me more about practical, real-world use than anything else I've read combined. Thanks for the post k|ngp|n!

[nigelke]

now i now why you torch it

and thanks K|ngp|n

[miahallen]

Now some guys probably notice that when you first fire up the rig and start pulling down the unit, if you go right to -145c and go right into benchmark and try to run, the container is too sluggish to control temps and runs with alot of ln2 in it. The temps dont swing at all really. This is bad situation for benching vantage/06. The container needs to be "primed" to be violent
You need to turn the F1 into Mr Angry, before its time to bench. Then it will NEVER run full pot in the zone its tuned for. Heres how I do it and A LOT of other bigtime benchers do it: Bring the unit down to about -100c, then let it go empty and hit the internals completely with a torch for about ten seconds until there is a nice thin layer of frost. Now pour some LN2 into the dragon, and watch those temps fly

Vince....I've found the same thing with my F1EE.....and it's a great pot! And you're right, the Venom would probably be a great test for me Keep up the great work my friend!

[Kal-EL]

I love my F1 and its Dragon hiss but I wanna double date with the Venom too

[[XC] gomeler]

I use a spray bottle and blast the insides with a few squirts. Then I pull the pot down, hit it with the torch to remelt the ice, and the pot is good to go. The F1EE just needs that added surface area. Surprising how little it takes to get it going

[k|ngp|n]

[stangracin3]

i think your missing a stick of memory too...

[Oliver]

is that a teaser

[FatAlbert]

well, kp, what this picture shows ? new rev of F1EE ? new generation of cpu pot ?

Good point Ollie

btw

800 post

[thijs]

dont, please, dont do this to my wallet.

[k|ngp|n]

i think your missing a stick of memory too...

Not when you roll in the fast lane

dont, please, dont do this to my wallet.

Nah, you'll see I'm switching things up a bit.

[[XC] gomeler]

Silly noob, you are forgetting the LN2 container

[Brian y.]

great...just great I was just about to jump on the KP pot bandwagon and now I have to wait....

[G H Z]

lol bring it on Vince

[Expat GriZ]

Hmmm.....a new weapon in the making Vince??? I've got a birthday coming s00n......would make a great gift. To me from ME!!