AMD phenom II X6 hexacore vs Intel i7 quad HT

[radaja]

i got my i7-870 setup but my graphics card doesnt work.im trying to buy another cheap
HD3450 and get it shipped overnight so i can add the 1156 machine to the crunchathon.
right now its either the 920 or the 870.but since ive already got WU's on the 920 machine
i cant switch now.man i want to have em both running right now.

[Biker]

You can quickly use the one working card you have to set up the 870 machine and then when you have it running you can then put the card back on the 920 and run the 870 without the gpu

[radaja]

oh my god thats true.i dont need to see what its doing,as long as its just doing it,huh?
so i would just install boinc and then leave it to start when windows boots up.and before
i shut it down after getting it ready,just suspend the WU's and turn it off.take out the card
and just reboot?right?will that work?then trow the card back into the 920 and back in business.
or actually just do what im saying to the 920 and then use my 870 rig instead to crunch and
surf the web.so will it boot up with out a card installed?

[WhiteFireDragon]

running headless crunchers is a pretty common/popular thing here. some mobos will let you POST without a GPU, but some are really picky and you need something in there, although you don't necessarily need a monitor attached to that GPU attached. you don't have just an old cheap pci card? if not, i'd run to the nearest computer store and buy one, and return it a few days later. i'll leave the ethics of that to you. hurry! because crunchathon is almost over

[radaja]

i dont have a local store.and i only have one 3450 and a dead card.so i dont know if the X58A-UD3R
or the P55A-UD7 will boot without a card.so i will wait until someone can tell 100% for sure it will work

[WhiteFireDragon]

how many computers do you have? if you have at least two, then you can set up up remote desktop, or use VNC to connect to your crunching computer remotely. once you set that up, take out the video card, boot the machine, and if it successfully boot, then you should be able to connect to it remotely from the other computer. it should be crunching while it's on. then use the video card to set up your other cruncher

[radaja]

i have two machines.one is crunching now.the other just needs boinc installed.
but will the second machine boot up without a card installed?

[D_A]

If you mean a video card, maybe. Some will, some won't. Personally I've never owned one that would, but there's people here that have said different of their rigs.

[shoota]

so where are these thuban-supporting, ddr2 supporting motherboards anyway? i don't see any on newegg..

[radaja]

If you mean a video card, maybe. Some will, some won't. Personally I've never owned one that would, but there's people here that have said different of their rigs.

i think ill just wait til i get another card then.thanks

[shoota]

it's doesn't hurt to try...

[Utnorris]

so where are these thuban-supporting, ddr2 supporting motherboards anyway? i don't see any on newegg..

Gigabyte MA78LM-SH2 is what I am currently running:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16813128408

[shoota]

oh man that price is tempting. did it need a bios flash or your X6 worked right away?

edit: i just checked Gigabyte's support site and they list the current 125W X6's as not officially supported but the 95W versions of those processors as supported since bios F7. I don't think the 95W cpus are even out yet are they?

[Tom128]

Gigabyte is sometimes slow to update the support list on their website even if they have the support. Also, depending on the site you visit the list can be different (.com vs .com.tw vs .us)

[INFRNL]

Have we came to any conclusions yet? Vapor says its still more beneficial to go with an 860 and decent board over amd. about same price, less power and better results if I remember correctly? I am still kind of curious how the AMD's do in real world use along with wcg. I am tempted to buy a 1055T and good cheap mobo; not sure I want to drop $300 on the 1090T when an 860 is only $200 or i can just buy a cheap x58 board to play with my westmere till sr-2 releases

[WhiteFireDragon]

i'm surprised there's no definite conclusion yet. i finally got a compatible mobo with it, so i'll start putting it to work when i get home from work .

[Fhqwhgads6680]

I have mine running @ stock. Once I get 7 days or so on it I'll share my results. so for it looks like 1055T @ stock = 20k. so easy math says if It were oc'd @ 4.0 ghz you'd be looking at ~ 27k. I am *hoping* to get a good board (its running on a 95w ecs mobo... has me SCARED..) and then get it on phase I wanna see > 30k.

[stangracin3]

I have mine running @ stock. Once I get 7 days or so on it I'll share my results. so for it looks like 1055T @ stock = 20k. so easy math says if It were oc'd @ 4.0 ghz you'd be looking at ~ 27k. I am *hoping* to get a good board (its running on a 95w ecs mobo... has me SCARED..) and then get it on phase I wanna see > 30k.

you should be able to get more than 27k at 4.0 if its getting 20k stock.

[radaja]

Have we came to any conclusions yet? Vapor says its still more beneficial to go with an 860 and decent board over amd. about same price, less power and better results if I remember correctly? I am still kind of curious how the AMD's do in real world use along with wcg. I am tempted to buy a 1055T and good cheap mobo; not sure I want to drop $300 on the 1090T when an 860 is only $200 or i can just buy a cheap x58 board to play with my westmere till sr-2 releases

i'm surprised there's no definite conclusion yet. i finally got a compatible mobo with it, so i'll start putting it to work when i get home from work .

I have mine running @ stock. Once I get 7 days or so on it I'll share my results. so for it looks like 1055T @ stock = 20k. so easy math says if It were oc'd @ 4.0 ghz you'd be looking at ~ 27k. I am *hoping* to get a good board (its running on a 95w ecs mobo... has me SCARED..) and then get it on phase I wanna see > 30k.

well i will have my i7-870 crunching soon so maybe that will help with the data.im in the process of switching the WCing out and waiting for the 5870.

[Someguy1982]

I have a lot of validations pending over the last week because i swapped projects to try and get badges. I'll post data when things start to smooth out. Right now its 1 day it does 20k+ the next it does 12k. this is a 1090 at 3.2. If it performs and scales anything like a deneb I'm guestimating about 21k, but this is yet to be seen...

[D_A]

Ideally you want a couple of weeks crunching a consistent project mix to get a stable score, but one week should get you in the ballpark, so to speak.

[WhiteFireDragon]

i just installed mine and tried OC'ing it. either i have a really lame chip or i need to learn to OC it first. it's only at 3.2ghz and vcore lower than 1.47v will crash. NB volts is 1.2v (auto). if i raise the vNB, should i be able to lower vcore? can i have a ballpark number for all my voltages to hit 3.6ghz?

[Peen]

i just installed mine and tried OC'ing it. either i have a really lame chip or i need to learn to OC it first. it's only at 3.2ghz and vcore lower than 1.47v will crash. NB volts is 1.2v (auto). if i raise the vNB, should i be able to lower vcore? can i have a ballpark number for all my voltages to hit 3.6ghz?

on stock cooler... Probably 1.4-1.45v for 3.6ghz if it can handle the heat. Something sounds wrong though on yours.

Thinking about picking up a 1055T to replace my 3.6ghz AthlonIIX2

[WhiteFireDragon]

ok i messed around with my new x6 a little bit, and found out the reason for ridiculous vcore with such low clocks was because my memory, and also the NB and HT voltage. i did not test for stability much, only ran 3 loops of linx at 3.57ghz and started crunching with it. power consumption with WCG is 187w for 3.57ghz, compared to my i7 920 at 192w for 3.8ghz. looks like i7 wins in speed/power ratio.

i still suck at OC'ing AMD chips so can someone let me know if i should set something lower or higher for optimal speed and power draw? what is the max safe for each voltage to crunch with? here's what i set mine to:

speed: 255 x 14 = 3.57ghz
vcore: 1.39v in cpuz
NBv: 1.26v
HTv: 1.26v

on stock cooler... Probably 1.4-1.45v for 3.6ghz if it can handle the heat. Something sounds wrong though on yours.

no way stock cooler lol, right now it's on a copper TRUE with a low speed fan, temps around 65C loaded.

[INFRNL]

ok i messed around with my new x6 a little bit, and found out the reason for ridiculous vcore with such low clocks was because my memory, and also the NB and HT voltage. i did not test for stability much, only ran 3 loops of linx at 3.57ghz and started crunching with it. power consumption with WCG is 187w for 3.57ghz, compared to my i7 920 at 192w for 3.8ghz. looks like i7 wins in speed/power ratio.

i still suck at OC'ing AMD chips so can someone let me know if i should set something lower or higher for optimal speed and power draw? what is the max safe for each voltage to crunch with? here's what i set mine to:

speed: 255 x 14 = 3.57ghz
vcore: 1.39v in cpuz
NBv: 1.26v
HTv: 1.26v




no way stock cooler lol, right now it's on a copper TRUE with a low speed fan, temps around 65C loaded.

edit, i was not thining clearly

also can everyone posting results please post what project they are running? I kind of want to try thuban just for fun. From my conclusions the 1055T could potentially be a better buy. I have seen many at 4ghz.
production shouild be equal between 1055T & 1090T at same clocks. 1090T only offers unloced multiplier and possibly a better chance of higher clocks.
I would like to see somepne post a weeks worth of results for HCC & HFCC.
an 860 should be on par with a 920. my 920@4ghz can range from mid 20's on bad day to around 40k ppd. on avg I would say in the 30's. I will also need to play around. I hear lower multipliers 2 same clocks should result in more production.