The one that came with it.. I believe it was Noctua's NT-H1. Will try a remount.What TIM did you use?
The one that came with it.. I believe it was Noctua's NT-H1. Will try a remount.What TIM did you use?
With stock fans at that voltage the temps are pretty ok. It will probably never reach 70 in regular daily use.
Comparing the 212+ with the Noctua is like buying an airplane and using it on the road. I'm pretty sure even the stock cooler is decent at stock voltage.
Can you guys tell me what method you used to apply thermal, other than what Noctua recommends?
Sorry to ask this over a month after you posted it, but I am interested in knowing how high cfm fans with strong static pressure perform in the nh-d14 vs. fans with moderate cfm and strong static pressure.Originally Posted by shaolin95
The review at xbit labs showed that a pair of tr-fdbs at 1800 rpm maxed out the cooling potential of the nh-d14 (they did not test three at this speed, but I am not overly interested in tri-fan performance on the nh-d14 since my rig would not allow 3 fans anyway . . . tall RAM). tr-fdbs are not necessarily champions of static pressure, but Gentle Typhoons are, and I estimate that a pair of GTs would do just as well.
So, how would two GTs compare to your setup in cooling performance?
I'm upgrading the fans on my rig from the stock ones, and I'd like to know if moving to better fans than a pair of GTs could yield any benefits. Currently I am using an extremely noisy FM-121 as an exhaust fan, so I am more than willing to pull that and run exhaust-less with sufficiently powerful fans on the hsf (maybe a san ace + 120x25x25 delta?). If I picked the right products, I might even be able to stay within the same noise envelope.
Or I could keep the fm-121, put in two GTs, and call it a day.
Not sure which I'd really want to do given the fact that at least one source (xbit) seems to indicate that the nh-d14's cooliing performance tops out at a fairly low rate of airflow (compared to, say, a TRUE copper).
The link below might answer some of you questions:
http://lab501.ro/racire/thermalright...a-titanilor/34
Not even the mighty Copper can keep up with the incredible mass of the Noctua even at ridiculous voltages.
Ah hah . . . interesting. This flies in the face of the xbit review, or otherwise indicates that its the tr-fdbs that fail to perform well past 1800 cfm rather than the nh-d14 itself. Thank you for that test data.
Time to start looking at some Deltas . . .
NH-D14 modding go with Peltier cooler 100-130w with 2 fans 2000cfm?
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don't bother with a tec on it will, still work better with out one.
I know from experience with a mugen 2 and a tec. TEC out put a lot of heat can reach 80C on hot side with heat sink only about 55C.
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Im looking to upgrade my older TRUE, its a first gen 120 before the later revisions.
it seems the noctua D14 is pretty much the best aircooler on the market, on the other hand it s freaking unbelievably massive, i mean good lord lol. I would want to have something to hang it from the top of the chassis in fear of board stress over time.
im looking at the new Thermalright venmous-x. From a couple reviews i read, it performs almost as good, but much less mass.
can't decide.
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T.R.U.E, Weight: 790g (Heatsink Only)
T.R.U.E Copper, Weight: 1900g (Heatsink Only)
Venomous X, Weight: 755g (excluding fan and bracket system)
Noctua ND-H14, Weight: 900g (without fan)
thats interesting regarding weights. I didn't look at the weights of the two coolers, just skimmed to the meat of reviews. You would think the nocuta would be at least 1200g, but its just slightly heavier than the venomous. The mian concern for me is the mass, the venomous is not nearly as large. And performance was only 1 degree off using push/pull in a tweaktown review i read. Granted they used 70lb on the special pressure pad on the venomous, when used with 40lb, the Noctura blew it away.
Kinda of settled on the venomous+ some MX3 paste. I was looking at the corsair H50 for a brief second, but the performance is notably worse than high end heatpipe solutions, and the design kinda of sucks because it dumps alot of hot air into the case, since it can't be exhausted out the rear...poo
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I think you'd need a 300w pelt (possibly more) and some sophisticated controls to keep temps at a point where you would not need to insulate.
You go way outside the 125w thermal envelope when you overclock a i7-920 or whatever on LinX.
No worry venomous is great cooler with proper mounting system. I also owned first revision T.R.U.E... Mounting was really poo.. Then I changed to watercooling "Rs360 & ocz hydro" and later "Mora2 & HK3" and now back to aircooling days with noctua NH-D14 (should be best air cooler with low speed fans unless Prolimatech Armageddon change that with dual 140mm fans..).
I dont like noctua fans.. 140mm got high starting voltage + plus bearings went out after couple hoursand P12 (S12 silent but really weak) got annoing sound because of the blade design.. But after RMA, people will buy those fans with great price
Also SPCR got better results with Nexus fans (Aka slowed Yate loons) and that makes me wonder how good Noctua fans really are
Last edited by Migi06; 04-17-2010 at 09:57 AM.
strange|ife i also had the 1st gen TRUE EXit has served me well but it was about damn time to let it loose,so the real good choices were either the Noctua D14 ot the Venomous Ex.
i went with the VX,the noctua is just too big for my liking and would have had troubles with the ram modules cause of heatspreaders.
going from a 1st gen TRUE to the VX i won(less) between 8°-13° degrees C° depending on load/application running---->OCCT LINpack test gave me 77° max temp with the TRUE now with the VX i get 65°max temp....etc
one very important point: the VX loves 38mm fans,so if you gonna get the VX plz get a good 12x12x38 fan for the push
for a pull fan you can still put a 12x12x25
some of the idiotical reviews on the net that pretend to be hard... enthusiasts are putting low spinning 12x12x25 fans on the VX ...i have no idea why should a person who spends 60bucks on a cooler not spend 12bucks on a good 38mm fan...but since they are hard... enthusiast and im not guess they know better.
anyway VX needs at least 1600rpm fan if youre at around 4ghz with a quad.
also go check the big cooler review from the romanian guys in the review section,one of the best.
if space,weight,mobo components and ram module height are not of concern then go for the Noctua d14 which is the better cooler.
just my 2c on this.
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Not need the big power for a e6850 processor, 120-140W maximum enough
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Okay, so I went ahead and got a Delta efc1212d to serve as the center fan for my nh-d14, and it worked out nicely, even with the fan clips borrowed from the 120mm fan that came with the HSF. Check.
Then, I got my Panaflo/NMB-Mat H1BX, and . . . wouldn't you know it, the little rubber/plastic pegs you use to secure the fan clips in the mounting holes on fans are too short to go all the way through the holes on the H1BX. Buggeritall.
So what do I do? Can I get pegs that are longer? If I had some, it would seem that the standard Noctua clips should work.
How flat is the NH-D14 base? Does NH-D14 base need any lapping or is it about as flat as the one on Megahalems?
--lapped Q9650 #L828A446 @ 4.608, 1.45V bios, 1.425V load.
-- NH-D14 2x Delta AFB1212SHE push/pull and 110 cfm fan -- Coollaboratory Liquid PRO
-- Gigabyte EP45-UD3P ( F10 ) - G.Skill 4x2Gb 9600 PI @ 1221 5-5-5-15, PL8, 2.1V
- GTX 480 ( 875/1750/928)
- HAF 932 - Antec TPQ 1200 -- Crucial C300 128Gbboot --
Primary Monitor - Samsung T260
Someone more familiar with heatsinks can probably give you a more authoritative answer, but in the meantime, based on the one I got.. it arrives flat with what feel like very, very small thin grooves I think.
Do not lap the base of the NH-d14. it isn't flat. It's designed to have a curve in it. Lapping the D14 will do more harm than good.
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AMD Phenom II 955BE @3.2 GHz, Noctua NH-D14
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Sapphire 4850x2 CFX
Win7 Ultimate
I am having the same issue as well. I had to remount the cooler like 5 times. I used Mx-2 on this cooler and it spreads a bit differently than AS5. Needless to say it took a little bit of time getting the right amount of pea size glop.
I am getting ok temps here about 27C ambient temps. I'm at 43-39C at idle and about 71-69C load. These are about the same temps as my TRUE. I see lots of people getting better temps and I'm at 3.8GHz with 1.237V on the mobo IIRC.
Admittedly my Cosmos 1000 case isn't the best for airflow but the insides feel quite cool. I have the lower intake 38mm ultra kaze 2k rpm as intake and a push push fan system sucking in air underneath the optic drive to the D14.
The outer fan (underneath the optic drive) nearest the case grill is a scythe 1600 rpm 25mm into another Ultra kaze 2k rpm 38 mm fan. With this setup it certainly cooled my hsf better but I still don't see idle temps around the 35C range with my ambient temps around 25C or lower.
I wonder if I'll get better results with another case or if it's just my C0 cpu. I can hit 3.8ghz at less than stock volts and it takes about 1.35V in mobo to hit 4ghz.
I feel like this cooler is no better than my TRUE rev.B. unless I'm still doing something wrong. I'm using stock fans on the D14
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Whats the best way (direction) to mount this in a Coolermaster 922, X58A UD3R and 3 x 2gb Ram?
Last edited by jasjeet; 05-14-2010 at 05:53 AM.
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Check out this site: http://www.overclock.net/air-cooling...-d14-club.html for some answers.
Last edited by Darkboss; 05-14-2010 at 05:53 PM.
920 @3.8GHz(181x21) CO/C1 @1.23-1.25V & @4.0GHz (191x21) @ 1.35V Turbo on, HT-on, giga UD4P, 3x2GB Gskill, EVGA GTX 295, Noctua D14
ok guys, i just finished building my pc yesterday, after installing windows seven and trying to see how stable the system is with few programs i must say i am very happy with it .. specially with the noctua performance keeping the cpu temp at 39 C ( while playing Battlefield bad company 2 ) and very impressed when i was running Austodesk Maya Rendering and particle simulation, and it does keep the cpu at 21 C (70 F) idle time .. however i just noticed the middle fan of the cooler trying to start then stop .. trying to start then stop .. i m using the Ultra-Low-Noise Adaptor (U.L.N.A.) connecters and they are connected to each fan wire, and they are both connected to different fan pins on the asus motherboard
the funny thing is sometimes when i start the pc it does start .. sometimes ... it keeps trying ( the middle 1400 fan ) .. there is no overclocking yet .. just testing the system for now
Everest report : Mobo Temp = 25C / CPU Temp = 21 C / Cooling Fans = 917 RPM
anybody experienced such a thing before ?
Last edited by nightwoodwolf; 05-21-2010 at 07:51 AM.
Do you have Q-Fan enabled in bios?
Are the two ULNA attached to their corresponding fan?
Sounds to me like you have Q-Fan enabled. That with the ULNA adapter isn't giving the 140mm fan enough volts to start.
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i removed the ULNA adapter for the 140mm and actually its working ok now, i just enabled the Q-Fan control in the mobo, altho i guess Everest is showing me the 120mm RPM not the 140mm ?
here are some snapshots
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