GTX 480 and GTX 470 Reviews

[Olivon]

Infrared thermography from Hardware.fr :

GTX 480 Load



GTX 470 Load



HD 5870 Load



ATi made some serious improvements in comparison with HD 48X0 series, a really nice job :

HD 4870 Load



The complete test protocol can be viewed Here

[SKYMTL]

Wow. Look at those HD 4800-series cards burn. Excellent tests.

[eric66]

lol poor psu can't get enough juice for 480

[eric66]

Wow. Look at those HD 4800-series cards burn. Excellent tests.

yeah but problem is we are currently looking at 58xx series

[RPGWiZaRD]

Wow that's quite an impressive improvement on ATI's side.

[Olivon]

yeah but problem is we are currently looking at 58xx series

Yeah, that's right ! But it's funny to see that people have (really ?) short (selective ?) memory

[RSC]

Infrared thermography from Hardware.fr :

GTX 480 Load



GTX 470 Load



HD 5870 Load



ATi made some serious improvements in comparison with HD 48X0 series, a really nice job :

HD 4870 Load



The complete test protocol can be viewed Here

In the same site:

[ElSel10]

yeah but problem is we are currently looking at 58xx series

Why do you act like such an ati fanboy/troll? Simply running hot isn't a problem. It isn't a problem for HD4000 cards and it isn't a problem for GTX400. Funny how many trolls bashed the GTX2x0 cards for the same reason, when the fact of the matter was most reviews recorded higher temperatures for the HD4000 cards.

You never saw any Nvidia users bashing and trolling ATI for that though, did you?

[damha]

"To test, we played through this scene for 60 seconds while recording frame rates with FRAPS. This firefight is chaotic enough that there's really no hope of playing through it exactly the same way each time, although we did try the best we could. We conducted five play-throughs on each card and then reported the median of the average and minimum frame rate values from all five runs. The frame-by-frame results come from a single, representative test session."

Consider reading the reviews.

You quoted yourself "representative". It is unfortunate, but I have more and more reason to believe nvidia has a bigger hand in these reviews than many would like to believe.

Infrared thermography from Hardware.fr :

GTX 480 Load



GTX 470 Load

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HD 5870 Load



ATi made some serious improvements in comparison with HD 48X0 series, a really nice job :

HD 4870 Load



The complete test protocol can be viewed Here

Why do you act like such an ati fanboy/troll? Simply running hot isn't a problem. It isn't a problem for HD4000 cards and it isn't a problem for GTX400. Funny how many trolls bashed the GTX2x0 cards for the same reason, when the fact of the matter was most reviews recorded higher temperatures for the HD4000 cards.

You never saw any Nvidia users bashing and trolling ATI for that though, did you?

I checked the colors on the back of the 480 and the 4870, both are the same shade, exact same color code. The quality of the image might have something to do with that though.

You can clearly see from these images just how hot the area around the 480 is. The bottom of the case is already showing colors reaching 70°C

Not too surprising to be honest, but considering that while the 4870 maybe outputting the same kind of temps in certain areas it certainly does not match the overall heat output of the 480. In fact, nothing does. Aside from 2x5970 in crossfire maybe.
The 480 has two sources of awesome heat: VRMs and GPU.

Check out the motherboard area around the gtx480... well into the 80's there. Ouch.

[Lightman]

The 2Gb one is a Asus Matrix Radeon HD 5870 2GB with 900 MHz core and 4900 Mhz vram if anyone did not know...

Correct!
And to put more light onto this, here is a quote from article (seems most of you just reads graphs and not words putted in pain by authors of these graphs ) explaining situation:

The GF100 cards' higher power draw numbers translate pretty directly into higher noise level readings on our meter. In spite of some slick engineering in the GTX 480's cooler, the card is quite a bit noisier than a stock Radeon HD 5870. The only single-GPU solution that's louder is Asus' overclocking-oriented Matrix 5870 2GB, which is tuned to keep temperatures down.

Who would thought that overcloking oriented part will be tuned for best temps and not noise level :P

[eric66]

Why do you act like such an ati fanboy/troll? Simply running hot isn't a problem. It isn't a problem for HD4000 cards and it isn't a problem for GTX400. Funny how many trolls bashed the GTX2x0 cards for the same reason, when the fact of the matter was most reviews recorded higher temperatures for the HD4000 cards.

You never saw any Nvidia users bashing and trolling ATI for that though, did you?

i didn't like 4xxx series for that reason and i didn't buy em gtx 280 wasn't that different either and i remember it hitting 105 C. To sum up i don't like high temperatures already experienced god awfull 8800ultra and know how ugly it gets on summer nothing to do with me being fanboy or anything. Now currently we are comparing 58xx to fermi right ? why bringing 48xx series ? whats the point its already eoled 48xx series had great price/performance ratio and seems people ignored high temperatures for that but it didn't change the fact that they were hot and unclockable cards.

[eric66]

You can clearly see from these images just how hot the area around the 480 is. The bottom of the case is already showing colors reaching 70°C

thats psu it gets hot cause of 480 demanding too much power imho

[damha]

thats psu it gets hot cause of 480 demanding too much power imho

Don't think so buddy.

http://www.hardware.fr/articles/787-...x-480-470.html

Look at the images where the card is idling. You would see heat if the powersupply was at the bottom.

Good try, but the GTX480 will still almost set your case on fire

[FU1G0R]

all i know is that I want a 470 for the price performance in dx11 games and 3d features, BUT, I'll wait for better cooling solutions

I dont know if its some kind of techno fetish but I don't feel any comfortable with any 90+C components inside me case, simply makes me feel uncomfortable, A LOT

[mmorpgfocus]

The issue is really MINIMUM frame rates.

I don't care if your maximum frame rate is 80 if your minimum is 12.

I just read an article summing up the reviews for GTX480 and although it is not that much faster than 5870 at maximum frame rate, the article said on average, minimum frame rates are 38% higher with GTX480.

The article said too that ATI/AMD has had 6 months to optimize their driver up to 10.3 and that we should see dramtaic performance gains as Nvidia is given the same chance to improve their drivers - giving as much as 10% additional boost.

I am still on the fence which card to buy, but AMD/ATI not lowering prices after 6 months makes me not so excited about them.

It seems for the same price Nvidia GTX480 gives more upside potential in the future.

I may also wait for 512sp version with better clocks and thermals GTX485 or whatever they will call it.

I would have bought ATI but no price drop = fail when you are in 2nd place.

The whole "hot" card thing is way overblown by fanboys, just put watercooling on it and its silent plus you get overclock and super cool temps.

[highoctane]

Wouldn't you have to remove the backing cover on the 5870 to get a clear picture of the pcb thermals.

[ElSel10]

i didn't like 4xxx series for that reason and i didn't buy em gtx 280 wasn't that different either and i remember it hitting 105 C. To sum up i don't like high temperatures already experienced god awfull 8800ultra and know how ugly it gets on summer nothing to do with me being fanboy or anything. Now currently we are comparing 58xx to fermi right ? why bringing 48xx series ? whats the point its already eoled 48xx series had great price/performance ratio and seems people ignored high temperatures for that but it didn't change the fact that they were hot and unclockable cards.

Well you are in a small minority. Now you might get a large bandwagon of ATI users who say they are in the same boat as you, but 90% of them clearly are not as they own or used to own HD4000 cards, and are just jumping on a chance for some hearty Nvidia bashing.

[Circaflex]

[ajaidev]

What a huge difference looks like Unique 2.0 was essential for review point of view...

[Manicdan]

Wouldn't you have to remove the backing cover on the 5870 to get a clear picture of the pcb thermals.

that is an interesting point, around a cars exhaust theres a heat shield which prevents temperature sensitive things to not be affected by the 1000 degree heat along the exhaust. so that plate could be good at blocking heat from going into the case, by letting the card be a few degrees warmer. it could be a double edged sword and some people might prefer it, or take it off to let the card be a hair cooler if their case has good flow. or its really not that much of an effect on anything and your right it could hide true values.

[-Sweeper_]

love those graphs

[Manicdan]

love those graphs

lol i didnt notice it until just now. i thought it was 3x faster, i feel like such a fool, and its not even tomorrow yet

[eric66]

interesting wonder is it cause of high res or lower tess level

[hurleybird]

Lol, that's awesome (this is a joke, right?). 3x bigger bar for 0.1 FPS increase

[Russian]

I've gotta admit, thats gotta be one of the most ridiculous and embarassing review graphs ever.