The Fermi Thread - Part 3

[insurgent]

Heh, someone hit a nerve with that green boy yonder.

[pentium777]

the good ol' LOL YOU ARE NOT SOCIAL GET A LIFE counterstrike at full force!

Call 'em as I see 'em, always have and always will. Did I hit a sore spot? It also wasn't a statement but a simple question, you are free to twist words around though at your leisure.

[pentium777]

Heh, someone hit a nerve with that green boy yonder.

Apparently you haven't a clue what it is even about, since you mention "green boy" and it has nothing to do with Red or Green or even a video card. So ya.. "Heh" yourself

Moving on, anyone have any new info on e-tailer availability? I doubt it is April 12th since I have been reading that they are going to slowly trickle in. I am hoping to see some available this week sometime maybe, but rumor is that a decent sized batch for April 6th? Anyone else with better more solid info on GTX 480 availability?

[CryptiK]

So many times I prediced that GTX 480 would barely OC. That nVidia would have an impossible time reaching 750Mhz.

If so many people are getting 800Mhz+, perhaps 480SP and 700Mhz had more to do with limiting power consumption than yields.

If you had chips easily able to do 800Mhz, why else would you sell them at 700Mhz?

By using LN2 cooling on a GeForce GTX 480 video card he was able to take the core clock from 700MHz up to 1165MHz, which is an amazing 66% overclock! He then used an Intel Xeon E5640 processor at 4GHz and was able to score just shy of 30,000 3DMarks in the Performance test of 3DMark Vantage

Holy Smokes Batman. Can somebody do the math on how much current must be going through those 6 voltage regulation circuits!!?

Me thinks at whatever ungodly voltage Shamino used for 1165, "normal" 1200W-1500W PSU could be not enough for the system.

At stock voltage it seems LN2 alone gets 900Mhz on the core - ie cooling seems to be the main issue

http://hwbot.org/hardware/videocard/geforce_gtx_480

An unvoltmodded 800 MHz stable on air is quite nice for an Nvidia card, no doing that on a GTX285.

1165 MHz and 30K vantage under LN2 is also very nice, I'd like to see some more results with a overclocked CPU.

[insurgent]

Apparently you haven't a clue what it is even about, since you mention "green boy" and it has nothing to do with Red or Green or even a video card. So ya.. "Heh" yourself

Moving on, anyone have any new info on e-tailer availability? I doubt it is April 12th since I have been reading that they are going to slowly trickle in. I am hoping to see some available this week sometime maybe, but rumor is that a decent sized batch for April 6th? Anyone else with better more solid info on GTX 480 availability?

But you are a green one right? And you were clearly upset, so I think I was pretty spot on

[RSC]

NVIDIA GeForce GTX 470 Video Card Overclocked @ TweakTown

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[Dahmer]

Apparently you haven't a clue what it is even about, since you mention "green boy" and it has nothing to do with Red or Green or even a video card. So ya.. "Heh" yourself

BTW please explain and show me when 7900 GTX SLI, 8800 GTX SLI, GTX 280 SLI or GTX 480 SLI has "stutter" problems? Huge power consumption, I can afford $50 extra a year for power, noise? with home theater sound or headphones people aren't listening to their fans spinning up while gaming.

You're so green it makes my eyes hurt...

One major point though, real gamers spend more money on games than on hardware to run the games. A real gamer will spend money on a system good enough to play it and that's it.
Find me one person that has everything you mentioned and uses all that JUST for games then you have found yourself an idiot with too much money for his/her own good.

I've got two friends that have a home theater system and they both use for....guess what....watching movies! Who would've known, using massive screens for movies =o

[SoF]

I am REALLY missing an OCed 5870 1000/1300 there - when you overclock one side, you should also do it with the other imo.

[Manicdan]

@TweakTown review. how does a 10% overclock get 30% performance boost on HAWX?

[fellix_bg]

How loud is GTX470? (video)

[RPGWiZaRD]

How loud is GTX470? (video)

WTF? Can some1 tell their mom to stop vacuum cleaning while they're shooting the video ffs so we can hear the card!

[Mabyboi]

How loud is GTX470? (video)

And this is why we watercool

[kaktus1907]

Fermi on Atom Platform

[Mk]

How loud is GTX470? (video)

WTF please tell me this is a joke!

[Helloworld_98]

Fermi on Atom Platform

at least it can handle HD video's now using media player HC

[Coldon]

haha, that video made me laugh, they have two tornado's hooked up as a joke/mod next to the card. the card is quite loud, but the really loud noise is the tornados.

the guy basically says in the video when you're playing a game and the fan is at around 70% if wont really bother you. I'm personally gonna wait about a month and see what the prices of the 480s are locally and then decide on what I want to buy, also wait for a newer set of NV drivers and see if they bring any performance boosts.

[fellix_bg]

Fermi on Atom Platform

Looking at the mobo size, it's more like Atom Platform on Fermi...

[saaya]

that would go under the "doesn't matter" category, just proof that Vantage is no way to gauge actual gaming performance.

yeah, the time that "future"mark benchmarks have held some relevance to actual game performance is long passed... still its interesting how much faster fermi is in unigine and how slow it is in the 3dmark series...

its odd how its up to 40% faster than a 5870 in some games too, and in the 3dmark series its about the same...

The only "IDIOT" and "not a real gamer" here is you. Downgrade 30" 2560x1600? You should tell that to people also that have 120"-144" screens for home theater that have 1080P they should downgrade to 50-60" screens so that 1080P looks sharper....

i didnt mean it as an insult, did i forgot to add a smiley to that sentence? its meant as a poke, not an insult...
let me reword it, i find it hard to understand why people would go for those huge resolutions as it limits them to multi gpu which has a ton of draw backs and delivers a worse gaming experience than lower res gaming systems.

Ever think that maybe people with 30" 2560x1600 can afford multi-gpu solutions

its not about money... i wouldnt go for a 30" 2560x1600 gaming system even if i won the lottery... 24" 1920x1200 with a highend single gpu card will be a much better gaming system in my experience...

BTW please explain and show me when 7900 GTX SLI, 8800 GTX SLI, GTX 280 SLI or GTX 480 SLI has "stutter" problems?

lol, did you ever play games on an sli rig at all? and i mean did you play games on it at a res and at settings that actually made sense on an sli rig and not 100+ fps? if you play at 100fps or so you wont notice most of the multi gpu problems, but whats the point of having a second vga to begin with if all it does is render extra frames you dont even notice? crysis, far cr2, mirrors edge are the first that come to mind when i think of games where sli isnt necessarily better than a single card despite higher average fps.

Huge power consumption, I can afford $50 extra a year for power, noise? with home theater sound or headphones people aren't listening to their fans spinning up while gaming.

good for you, but who here cant afford those extra 50$? its still 50$ you might want to spend on something else... and noise is not a problem because people use headphones... maybe... but if thats true, why do people still remember noisy vgas even a decade after they were sold because they were so noisy? why is there a notably third party vga heatsink market for quiet vga solutions? why do so many people watercool their vgas and pcs? most people clearly dont like noisy vgas and pcs...

It is clear you don't have a 30" 2560x1600 display, but calling people idiots or not real gamers really shows a lack of intelligence.

again, my apologies, i didnt mean it as an insult...
and i consider it a waste of money to go for a 30" screen so, yes, i obviously dont have one
in case you care, im on a 23" samsung 1920x1080 display... got it for 125$, brand new about a year ago. a 30" screen costs what, 5-10x more? my 260sli would probably be enough for most games even, but i prefer to play at 1080 with everything maxed out and with one vga disabled if possible...

PS: I find it funny that you actually spend the time to create all those quotes and discuss / refute all these points. Do you get out much?

i enjoy discussing tech, yeah... why else would i have 30k posts on a tech forum?

and why do you even bring this up? your posting a lot in this thread as well?

btw, id rather buy two or three 20" 1680 screens and play in 3d vision soround than buy a single 30" screen. which is another reason i can think of why people would buy a 480 or 470 or even two... thats really something nice and creating a game play environment thats worth the money and multi gpu hassle... and its something ati just cant do. you MIGHT be able to get the same set up, but itll be way more hassle than nvidia and it wont be supported as well on the driver side...

http://www.tweaktown.com/articles/3204/nvidia_geforce_gtx_470_video_card_overclocked/index.html

hmmm only 680mhz? thats it? thats a pretty lame oc :/
i wonder if 470s have very low volts at stock compared to 480s?
does anybody know?
a 470@480 clocks should be a VERY nice deal... only 7% less sps and one gddr5 channel less...
the performance should be very close to a 480...

@TweakTown review. how does a 10% overclock get 30% performance boost on HAWX?

its tweaktown
dont expect too much from them...
they are an interesting reference point but dont expect solid numbers that are comparable to other reviews or even their own previous reviews and articles
they are good at doing a quick review or article though to get a rough idea where things are at... so i like reading their stuff, but yeah, dont take them too seriously

[jmke]

yeah, the time that "future"mark benchmarks have held some relevance to actual game performance is long passed...

for you and me, yes. But they still market their benchmark to companies to use to gauge system performance; vista/7 gaming performance meter is based on futuremark software...

[ElSel10]

good for you, but who here cant afford those extra 50$? its still 50$ you might want to spend on something else...

Now there's a joke. That literally works out to around a dime a day, and under $5 a month.

And it's not like using a 5870 would put an extra $50 a year back in your pocket. It still uses power too, you know. Perhaps $35 a year? Don't try and say that there is anybody who runs a 5870 who would incur financial trouble if they switched to a 480 simply due to the extra power usage. That's just a joke to even consider.

[saaya]

Now there's a joke. That literally works out to around a dime a day, and under $5 a month.

like i said, who here cant afford it... you might still chose to save 50$ a year and spend it on something else instead...

And it's not like using a 5870 would put an extra $50 a year back in your pocket.

it does, 50$ less a year...

It still uses power too, you know. Perhaps $35 a year? Don't try and say that there is anybody who runs a 5870 who would incur financial trouble if they switched to a 480 simply due to the extra power usage. That's just a joke to even consider.

i never said that... its not much, but its an added cost... and considering that a 5850 is enough to play most games at max detail @1080p, you could possibly save up to 100$ or more per year compared to a 480, if you play a lot (4 hours a day) even 200$ per year. some people were arguing a 480 is a long term investment so its not expensive if you consider you can use it for 2-3 years... and other people brought up the added electricity cost as a counter argument...

all i said was that while its only around 50$ per year for most, thats still something people might prefer to spend on something else

EDIT: over 100 pages... on the THIRD thread about fermi... and STILL no launch (retail cards)
LOL

[Manicdan]

its not about money... i wouldnt go for a 30" 2560x1600 gaming system even if i won the lottery... 24" 1920x1200 with a highend single gpu card will be a much better gaming system in my experience...

ive always spend most of my money on the monitor. 150$ gpu is good enough to enjoy games, 100$ cpu, and everything else under 100$. my monitor is worth 750$, i got a IPS back when i had no idea that was good, i just wanted a 27" 1920x1200 monitor, and they were all about 1000$ then. it was like a whole new computer going from 1280x1024 to that, and just last year i was testing a 30" 2560x1600 for a friend who was getting it for xmas, and so i got to check for dead pixels by using it for a few weeks. and i really did not want to give it up. in WoW that 40% extra res really makes a life of difference, and cause the dot pitch is smaller i can pull it closer and have to turn my head to see the edges of the screen. Fallout3 was stuttering to hell, but ive never felt so immersed. would i pay 1000$ for one, no, but if they came down to 600$ i would have jumped on it quick. but honestly now with multi monitor setups, im just waiting for a no bezel, or practically no bezel screen to appear, and jump on 3 of them for some 3600x1920 goodness, for hopefully under 800$

back before eyefinity, there really was only one option and it was clear, 30" is the best, but now we have new options and they are much better priced options. and i think thats skewing the mentality

[aver]

Ever think that maybe people with 30" 2560x1600 can afford multi-gpu solutions, BTW please explain and show me when 7900 GTX SLI, 8800 GTX SLI, GTX 280 SLI or GTX 480 SLI has "stutter" problems? Huge power consumption, I can afford $50 extra a year for power, noise? with home theater sound or headphones people aren't listening to their fans spinning up while gaming.

The number one reason I will not buy a 4X0 series is because of the power draw. Personally in a time of energy efficiency and rising Hydro rates its not all about the additional $50 cost. I have been focused on trying to make my house as efficient as possible. I also run dual monitors so that rules Fermi out for me since that seems to force the card to run at 90C constantly. I bet you if you explained the difference between the 58X0 vs 4X0 power consumption to the average consumer when choosing a new computer the Fermi would not fare well.

It is clear you don't have a 30" 2560x1600 display, but calling people idiots or not real gamers really shows a lack of intelligence.

I think the point is that those who run 2560x1600 do so at a disadvantage when it comes to gaming. So for a gamer the 1900x1200/1080 makes the most.

[JohnZS]

Am I the only person who wants to see more GTX 295 Vs GTX 480 comparisons?
The GTX 480 is a strange card, yes it is rather powerful and certainly not an Epic fail, however it is that late to the party most of the guests are leaving or quite intoxicated and have fallen asleep.
IMHO this card has December 2009 wrote all over it. Impressive nether the less, but falls short of greatness.
The temps and fan noise are too much, a GTX 295 Single PCB is a shade quieter and cooler, for a dual GPU card that is some achievement!
I hope the GTX 480 Ultra or GTX 512 coming in Q3 has a revised cooling solution and improved fabrication process to bring the temps down.
John

[bill_d]

The number one reason I will not buy a 4X0 series is because of the power draw. Personally in a time of energy efficiency and rising Hydro rates its not all about the additional $50 cost. I have been focused on trying to make my house as efficient as possible and I run dual monitors so that rules Fermi out for me. I bet you if you explained the difference between the 58X0 vs 4X0 power consumption to the average consumer the Fermi would not fare well.



I think the point is that those who run 2560x1600 do so at a disadvantage when it comes to gaming. So for a gamer the 1900x1200/1080 makes the most.

the only disadvantage in my 30" is i need two more for Eyfinity