The Fermi Thread - Part 3

[Just learnin']

Retail cooler.

Impressive, perhaps a "selected" piece of kit I wonder? Still impressive though.

[bamtan2]

The only game that clearly favors the GeForce GTX 480 is Metro 2033.

Yeah, the performance in Crysis is only 13% faster:

"We’ve also gone ahead and recorded the minimum framerates for Crysis, as in our testing we’ve found the minimums to be very reliable. And in doing so, we have some data even more interesting than the averages. The GTX 400 series completely tramples the 5000 series when it comes to minimum framerates, far more than we would have expected." (13% faster average fps, versus 33% faster minimum fps)

[SimBy]

Some here are grasping for straws. GTX480 *AS IS* is a fail. If the power consumption, heat and noise would go down by 50%, the card would definitely be a buy. No amount of spin will change that.

See ya at 28nm nV.

[orangekiwii]

I don't think its Nvidia's fault though. All of GTX480's issues arise from poor yields. Now, if they had done their homework like AMD they might not have these issues, but the point stands Nvidia really as little control over the yield - thats all tsmcs fault. In addition to this, there wouldn't be as many cut down parts. If TSMC had gotten better yields you would have full core chip and higher clocks and likely lower power consumption.

[Chumbucket843]

Some here are grasping for straws. GTX480 *AS IS* is a fail. If the power consumption, heat and noise would go down by 50%, the card would definitely be a buy. No amount of spin will change that.

See ya at 28nm nV.

do you see the world in black and white? if power and noise went down by 50% it would be an excellent gpu. where it is now is alright but not a total "fail".

[GoldenTiger]

Some here are grasping for straws. GTX480 *AS IS* is a fail. If the power consumption, heat and noise would go down by 50%, the card would definitely be a buy. No amount of spin will change that.

See ya at 28nm nV.

50% less would put it at about 65-70% the consumption of a 5870... unrealistic expectations there.

[Philip_J_Fry]

Some here are grasping for straws. GTX480 *AS IS* is a fail. If the power consumption, heat and noise would go down by 50%, the card would definitely be a buy. No amount of spin will change that.

See ya at 28nm nV.

lol i wouldnt call it a fail, but yeah where the card is now isnt a sure buy... i am waiting to see if some manufacturers put better cooling in so that the card doesnt sound like a jet when playing crysis/bf 2 bc just to cool it to like 80c(?) (and yeah i am lazy arse who only sets up cpu water loop)

plus price gouging will be an issue, just wait 2, 3months. choice might be clearer between 5870 and 480 then

[r0lfi]

I wonder if Nvidia had the same discussion with GTX 480 before they ship it out, like they did with GeForce FX 5800:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WOVjZ...ayer_embedded#

[ajaidev]

I know this has been posted but by god what a biatch slap by bit-tech

The HD 5870 remains a far better choice if you're a gamer; while we've yet to see how the GTX 480 performs with CUDA apps and Folding, at this stage Fermi looks like a flop.

http://www.bit-tech.net/hardware/201...-5gb-review/12

[orangekiwii]

I don't think GTX480 is a fail though. It's not that much more expensive than 5870 right now where I am. 5970 is 700+ dollars though. It has better performance than 5870, i'm going to be watercooling and I don't pay for the electricity where I live so.....

[Philip_J_Fry]

yeah i am really leaning toward 5870this time, i have to say... i have gotten 7800 gtx sli, 9800gtx sli and gtx 280 sli... was planning on gtx 480 sli, but i dont mind sacrificing a little performance for quiet and less power consumption

and 5970 is no where to be found in us, its like a sasquatch lol

[HelixPC]

I can see it already, 2011, Intel buys nVidia.

[ajaidev]

You all read the conclusion in bjorn3d's review

http://www.bjorn3d.com/read.php?cID=1831&pageID=8805

Its well different "Hint GTX 480 gets gold "

[zalbard]

yeah i am really leaning toward 5870this time, i have to say... i have gotten 7800 gtx sli, 9800gtx sli and gtx 280 sli... was planning on gtx 480 sli, but i dont mind sacrificing a little performance for quiet and less power consumption

and 5970 is no where to be found in us, its like a sasquatch lol

Just get 2x 5850? Just as fast and cheaper...

[Chumbucket843]

I can see it already, 2011, Intel buys nVidia.

you must be blind. thats never happening unless there are some radical changes at those companies. jpr has a good article on why it wont happen.

[Philip_J_Fry]

Just get 2x 5850? Just as fast and cheaper...

or wait for die shrink on both camps? lol

my gtx 280 sli is running everything fine for now. bf 2 bc @ 1080p 4xAA no problem, no DX11 support but hey i can live without it

i might just wait for die shrink, GTX 485 or 5890 if they plan to make them

[ajaidev]

yeah i am really leaning toward 5870this time, i have to say... i have gotten 7800 gtx sli, 9800gtx sli and gtx 280 sli... was planning on gtx 480 sli, but i dont mind sacrificing a little performance for quiet and less power consumption

and 5970 is no where to be found in us, its like a sasquatch lol

If you want the similar power consumption as the 5970 buy a GTX 480

[Olivon]

Megaupload - G100 nVidia Press PDF

Nothing special except screens from Metro2033.

If you look at p.23, DX9 screens looks way better than DX11's ones. Error or not ?

Thanks to David for the PDF

[ajaidev]

Hexus rating:

Sapphire Radeon HD 5870 TOXIC 2,048MB



NVIDIA GeForce GTX 480 1,536MB



wazzz

[zalbard]

or wait for die shrink on both camps?

Sounds good. 40nm tech sucks for video cards anyway.

[***Deimos***]

Assuming by April 12th, nVidia comes through with 10K+ availability, GTX480 is HUGE WIN for nVidia.
In some benchmarks its 30, 40 even 60% faster than 5870. I never expected 700Mhz, let alone stock HS OC to 820Mhz... WOW.
And do a double take on those DX11 and tesselation benchmarks. Certainly nobody would prefer a GTX295.
Unlike R600, FX or whatever you want to compare it to, IT IS the PERFORMANCE KING, the best GPU in history.

For the launch MSRP, nobody would deny its a WIN if it was <200W. Nobody.

But, thats the problem. Even the lowly GTX470 is a bit faster than 5870 half the time and between it and the 5850 the other half. But, its almost 100W more than 5850 and nearly 5970 numbers. Water cooling may lower temps, but its still the same ~300W going into your house.

Although 5870 is $420, and GTX470 is $350, it is VERY VERY EASY for AMD to lower price $50. On the other hand, much more difficult for nVidia to lower power by 50W (25%). Imagine 5850@$250 and 5870@$320 and 5970@450... now nobody would buy the GTXs.
+$50 or +$50Watts, which would you choose?

Winners and losers:
Fastest GPU - GTX480
Fastest card - 5970
Best performance for 200W - 5870
Best performance for 300W - 5970
Best performance for $350 - GTX470*
*until inevidable price cuts.

My point is that nVidia's only advantage is PRICE. And their costs are much higher. So AMD can easily win here.

[zalbard]

40 and 60% over 5870? Where did you see that? lol.
It's 15-20% faster on average.
You might want to check a different review or something...

[FischOderAal]

You all read the conclusion in bjorn3d's review

http://www.bjorn3d.com/read.php?cID=1831&pageID=8805

Its well different "Hint GTX 480 gets gold "

Talk about being very positive... No mention about the power draw (HD 5970-levels) in comparison to the "mind blowing" performance-improvement over HD 5870? Jesus, they just lost 100 percent of their credibility (if they ever had cred).

[Yvese]

Assuming by April 12th, nVidia comes through with 10K+ availability, GTX480 is HUGE WIN for nVidia.
In some benchmarks its 30, 40 even 60% faster than 5870. I never expected 700Mhz, let alone stock HS OC to 820Mhz... WOW.
And do a double take on those DX11 and tesselation benchmarks. Certainly nobody would prefer a GTX295.
Unlike R600, FX or whatever you want to compare it to, IT IS the PERFORMANCE KING, the best GPU in history.

For the launch MSRP, nobody would deny its a WIN if it was <200W. Nobody.

But, thats the problem. Even the lowly GTX470 is a bit faster than 5870 half the time and between it and the 5850 the other half. But, its almost 100W more than 5850 and nearly 5970 numbers. Water cooling may lower temps, but its still the same ~300W going into your house.

Although 5870 is $420, and GTX470 is $350, it is VERY VERY EASY for AMD to lower price $50. On the other hand, much more difficult for nVidia to lower power by 50W (25%).
+$50 or +$50Watts, which would you choose?

Winners and losers:
Fastest GPU - GTX480
Fastest card - 5970
Best performance for 200W - 5870
Best performance for 300W - 5970
Best performance for $350 - GTX470*
*until inevidable price cuts.

My point is that nVidia's only advantage is PRICE. And their costs are much higher. So AMD can easily win here.

What reviews did you read and what are you on? I'd like some

Can't argue your points on price though, though I disagree with your "best performance for $350". I'd replace that with the 5850 even if it's priced $50-100 lower than that. The 5850 OC's to 1GHZ core easily. That's a massive ~40% OC. I'm not sure the 470 can hit speeds similar to match 1ghz in benchmarks. The 5850 can do it while running quieter, cooler, and less power too.

[RaV[666]]

Yeah, the performance in Crysis is only 13% faster:

Most sites got around 0% difference between to cards tho.(in crysis)

"...is unable to conclusively claim the title as fastest single GPU graphics card, with Crysis a dead heat... " -< from bittech

And really most sites i read in crysis results were identical.
Anybody noticed that between sites same game tests differ from WIN for ATI to WIN for nVIdia ? I dont know who to trust anymore :P
Stalker and dirt results fluctuate heavy too.

Bit Tech stalker results
http://www.bit-tech.net/hardware/201...1-5gb-review/6

Anand results
http://images.anandtech.com/graphs/n...5215/22183.png

From what i gather, you can make look cards as you see fit selecting "proper" settings and test system configurations.Which is a sad conclusion.