AMD Phenom X6 1090T Black Edition & 1055T launch on 4/27

[Florinmocanu]

i think the prices are right.

why should we pay 1k for a CPU which is 1.2 billion transistors?

A GPU with 2-3 billion transistors sells for 400-500, but for a chip half the size we pay 1k? Bull for insane prices in the CPU world.

PS: Until a CPU can make hot coffee and give hot water together with being able to process, than i don't see the point in 1k prices.

[ridney]

this is good news!

[vitchilo]

And BJs too for 1k please.

In other news, where are the 8 cores versions? After all they have the opterons 8 cores coming soon...

[mindfury]

And BJs too for 1k please.

In other news, where are the 8 cores versions? After all they have the opterons 8 cores coming soon...

8 core is server chip only,fit in G34 socket.

[wiak]

I'd pay max or so for the Black considering the TDP. DDR2 support is just so awesome, these 4 sticks will be having a really long life methinks.

Even the 1055T seems pretty awesome for most users, but again not sure if power consumption is justified vs Lynnfield in that case (still 125W and all).

AMD Phenom II X6 1055T = 1595 NOK remove the 25% norwegian tax = 202 USD
AMD Phenom II X6 1090T = 2295 NOK remove the 25% norwegian tax = 291 USD
give or take a bunch of dollar, netshop isnt the cheapest etailer in norway ;9

[ilkkahy]

i think the prices are right.

why should we pay 1k for a CPU which is 1.2 billion transistors?

A GPU with 2-3 billion transistors sells for 400-500, but for a chip half the size we pay 1k? Bull for insane prices in the CPU world.

PS: Until a CPU can make hot coffee and give hot water together with being able to process, than i don't see the point in 1k prices.

CPU & GPU thingies are bit more complex than rawmaterials that can be easily priced as $/kg like bananas or metals. Price comes from continuing research & development and such "minor" things. But i get your point.

[Florinmocanu]

CPU and GPU are both logic, but CPU is more cache transistors than logic dedicated transistors (the actual cores) while in GPUs is the other way around, cache is a small percent in the total count.

And GPUs are twice as big in transistor count, even if in the logic transistor count it's probably way more, but still, CPUs cost a lot more than GPUs.

And i blame this on both AMD and Intel, both had 1k-500$ CPUS, while a 2-3x size GPU costs 400-500.

By that logic, a GTX 480 should be like 1.5-2k$, if the price/transistor ratios remains the same.

[DuraN]

For those of you planning to order these from Netshop or Microplex here in Norway, I would hold my horse a few days. They will not be available the 24th. I work for a retailer in Norway and I checked with all our distributors. Wait a few days and you will get a cheaper CPU

The pricing is sweet indeed, I am getting one for sure with a 890FX to go!

[RaV[666]]

You're ignoring that we don't want the same thing. I don't want a processor that allows me to play games "smooth". I want a processor that allows me to play at 120fps constant with all the eye candy turned on. PhenomII is unable to do that at sane frequencies. It's freaking hard for an AMD CPU to do that, specially in "old" games that only use 1 core because of the low perfomance per core. With a 120Hz each single fps until you reach 120 is noticeable, plain and simple. 40 vs 60, 60 vs 80 is a huge difference. If PhenomII is enough for you then good for you and good for AMD, but here it just doesn't cut it. I will give you an example: playing TF2 with C2Q and i5, both at 4GHz. The C2Q is unable to provide constant 120fps, with minFPS in the 80-90's. The i5 is playing at 120fps constant. Big difference in gameplay, in a CPU limited game. There are loads of them out there if you use a fast GPU, and for 1680x1050 with AA the 5850 is a fast GPU. Is TF2 an old game?
Of course you won't notice this with a 60Hz monitor, but I do notice it. I don't buy the the typical "(insert low random number of fps here) is enough for smooth gameplay" BS, sorry.

In your Anand link you can see it clearly: AMD CPUs need a much higher frequency to reach Intel.

Well, its you that fired up from the blue in amd news thread that Intel OWNs amd and i wont get same gaming experience.I Will :-), because MY poor eyes dont see difference between 100 and 120fps thats for one.
I dont have 60hz monitor.I play on CRT, 100hz ,so my fps are i believe more "real" than any lcd,no lag, no processing and well i dont see difference .
Youre talking that phenoms can hardly do 120fps in situations where i7 line can, but youre also saying that you never tested.To be frank i never seen any tests with say a good midrange GPU like 5850 in games that can do 120+ fps with HIGH QUALITY settings.I would really like 4ghz smackdown (with PH2 NB upped too) and see about that.I am however pretty sure that with high quality settings all of the cpus would be GFX card limited :/.
You say that C2Q have dips in minimal fps that are noticable, that may be true, but the reason is could be memory controller built in and/or smaller cache.Remember this whole story about PH2 being "smoother" even if on average they werent ?And again thats going to be a problem only in old titles and only if you have 120hz lcd ,and only when you have powerful enough graphix and only when you notice that kind of thing .
So yea EVEN if your statements are true in TF2 and similar old game situations that PH2 would drop out sometims to mere 80-90fps, its not a BS that it wont be a problem for 99% of population.EVEN IF.
As a disclaimer i will say i dont play TF2 at all ;-).Dragon age is bettah :P.
As of now im stopping discussing architectural differences between i7 and PH2 in cpu limited game performance ,because it aint the topic of this thread.We just have to agree that we disagree .

Back on topic.Prices are insane! Any confirmation about 1035T price ?

[zalbard]

CPU & GPU thingies are bit more complex than rawmaterials that can be easily priced as $/kg like bananas or metals. Price comes from continuing research & development and such "minor" things. But i get your point.

Well, obviously RnD matters.
But so does competition. And look how Intel's doing...

[haylui]

And BJs too for 1k please.

In other news, where are the 8 cores versions? After all they have the opterons 8 cores coming soon...

coming to the retail shops near you in 2011

[Olivon]

http://alienbabeltech.com/main/?p=16214

Great prices, hope that's right !

Thanks for the link OTH

[haylui]

You need a 4GHz PhenomII to reach a 2,8GHz Core i7 in MW2. 3GHz vs 2,4GHz in Left4Dead and Crysis Warhead. And this is with insane settings, one would think you'll be GPU limited. I don't get your point at all, that article just confirms what I'm saying. Too bad they don't test minFPS, you'd see bigger differences.



As above, minFPS (and avg, but whatever) aren't quite the same here with a single 5850 between 3 and 4 GHz with my Core i5, and I bet they won't be the same in your machine too. I don't play at 800x600 low settings . Most games only use 2 or 3 threads, not to mention any "old" game only uses 1. Intel owns here, end of the story, and if you have a 120Hz monitor or you just want high framerates you don't want AMD unless you can't afford a midrange Intel i5/i7.
Who's talking 980X here? That's only for benchers and some crazy chunchers with deep pockets. As long as you use heavy multithreading this processor has 0 rivals at this price range. It's not even funny. Heck, I think with these Thuban CPUs PhenomII X4 has no reason to exist at all. Same or better clocks, more cores, more or less the same price, turbo...

unfortunately 80% of the population need midrange AMD

[ajaidev]

1035T + 770 mobo cheap as hell and real good value for money crunch machine

[Vozer]

It's time for Intel to lower some of their i7 prices. They haven't moved a penny since their release in Nov, 2008.

[Hawkeye4077]

It is just temporary sales promotion,doesn't make any sense.

All other sites list i7 860 more than $250

Temporary in duration, but it happens pretty much every week, mostly on the weekends. I got my i7-920 there for $199. It is instore only, but for me was worth the 3.5 hour drive

[ajaidev]

http://alienbabeltech.com/main/?p=16214

and the facebookpage no longer has the prices it been taken out seems AMD ninjas called up ADVANTI and told them a few facts

[Mechromancer]

The true value of these X6 CPUs is the upgrade path it gives AM2+ and AM3 users (as stated previously). We can argue about how it performs against i5 and i7 all we want; the fact of the matter is those of us that have been running AM2+ systems for a few years now will have gone from X2 to X4 to X6 CPUs without ever changing a motherboard. AMD's value is it's socket stability over the past few years; something Intel is only now starting to adopt.

[kazuyakun]

AMD's value is it's socket stability over the past few years; something Intel is only now starting to adopt.

Intel's definitely not doing this else they wouldn't have the 2 different sockets released at once.

The prices look great but I can't help to think at 209$ a piece, it's really hard to believe. A i7 920 still cost over 300$, the x6 will probably have a baseline cost of 300$.

[Vozer]

ATM, AMD's cheapest hexa-core CPU is Opteron 2423 HE (2.0GHz, $455).

[Tom128]

Read my previous posts. A 5850 is not the bottleneck at 1680x1050+AA in most games except some uber new, bad optimized console ports. FEAR, TF2, Trackmania, Assassin's Creed, GRID to name a few, they all suffer the same issue: the CPU dictates minFPS. All of them improved a lot with the C2Q-->i5 change, same clocks.

I dunno man, that's just not lining up with my experience. My video card actually is a 5850, and my CPU is currently a PhII clocked at 3.6Ghz. I play games either on my 22" LCD (1680x1050) or sometimes I like to hook it up to my 50" plasma (1920x1080). Most games I play such as TF2, BFBC2, L4D2 and other random games don't see a benefit when I overclock my CPU on either resolution. In fact TF2 for example, which is a CPU limited game, I was curious and downclocked to 2.8Ghz/1.1v (was on a power consumption kick that day, random goals come and go lol) and had basically the same frame rates as I did at 3.6Ghz. This is on my 5850 8xAA/16xAF at 1920x1080.

Sorry I am not trying to de-rail the thread I'm just pitching in my own experience so I will stop with this post. I don't have a brand loyalty to AMD (though I am sure the last few years purchases could make that a curious claim lol) and I am fortunate enough to say that if I NEEDED an i7 for games I could afford such a system without worrying. But really, to play games it seemed like an i7 system was much more than necessary to get the experience, and with my current setup and my gaming experience, I feel I was correct when thinking so

[flippin_waffles]

Half a dozen cores for a workstation or pleasure should be pure bliss! And since AMD is putting a lot of work into OpenCl that both the CPU and GPU can take advantage of, this could be a huge win.

[Ulver]

I dont understand the 1090T codename??

1035-1055-1075 and then 1090 ?? why shouldn't it have been 1095T

take the calculator and make 6*(the Ghz) , it comes close with the model number! :P

[ridney]

The prices look great but I can't help to think at 209$ a piece, it's really hard to believe.

i guess it's their strategy in getting more market share by competing with high performance chips at a reasonable price.

[Manicdan]

i guess it's their strategy in getting more market share by competing with high performance chips at a reasonable price.

i think the most shocking thing is how long the socket has survived. i had a duel core 2.6ghz (5000BE) and now can get a 3.6ghz turbo'd hex core. with the same ram/mobo i bought nearly 3 years ago. (pending bios update). i really dont think i will even need to get one right away, my quad is still feeling really strong, and if i just wait for the last chip to be made for this socket (not sure if its the 1090T or if we see a stronger one). but once i do go hex, will i even need to touch the cpu/mobo for another 3 years? seriously i think gaming will be happy with high speed 6 cores for as long as dx11 is alive.