AMD Phenom X6 1090T Black Edition & 1055T launch on 4/27

[STaRGaZeR]

Not happening regardless of who makes your CPU. There is no game that a Phenom II at 3.5Ghz+ will not be able to feed a graphics setup it's frames, the graphics will bottleneck well before the Phenom II. Intel's i5's and i7's are better processors absolutely, but being 50% or 500% above the graphics system bottleneck is a tie in terms of your goal.

While my i5 doesn't give me that in the games I play, it's still much closer than a C2Q at 4GHz, and since PhII is at best a little faster than a C2Q at the same clocks results are similar. Read my previous posts. A 5850 is not the bottleneck at 1680x1050+AA in most games except some uber new, bad optimized console ports. FEAR, TF2, Trackmania, Assassin's Creed, GRID to name a few, they all suffer the same issue: the CPU dictates minFPS. All of them improved a lot with the C2Q-->i5 change, same clocks.

BTW, there are dozens out there but in this very thread users have posted reviews with 5970s and such, and the CPU played a big role until you reach a certain frequency where the bottleneck is again the GPU. PhII still needs a lot more MHz to be competitive.

Could you please explain to me what a CPU limited game is these days?
You must be an exception to the norm as far as game play goes. If I don't have a FPS counter on the screen, I can't tell the difference between 80 or 100 or 120 FPS.

Read above, and also the 120Hz monitor part in the post you quoted :P

Also stargazer go read back 1 or 2 time more beepbeep2 post. You missed quite an important points, none of those review said they jacked up the nb frequency which can help if i read well some stuff in the amd section the gpu performance and also cpu performance as well ( not sure on that). while every i7 or i5 review all have the uncore jacked up by default when overclocking if they use some high frequency memory kit.

And yeah for the moment, i am a core i5 user.

I didn't miss them, I know PhII is faster than C2Q with the NB jacked up, but still i5/i7 are far ahead in per core perfomance unfortunately, and that's what matters today if you game.

Back on topic, if AMD releases a lower clocked Thuban, at what price? PhII X4 965 is at ~145€

[Tom128]

Read my previous posts. A 5850 is not the bottleneck at 1680x1050+AA in most games except some uber new, bad optimized console ports. FEAR, TF2, Trackmania, Assassin's Creed, GRID to name a few, they all suffer the same issue: the CPU dictates minFPS. All of them improved a lot with the C2Q-->i5 change, same clocks.

I dunno man, that's just not lining up with my experience. My video card actually is a 5850, and my CPU is currently a PhII clocked at 3.6Ghz. I play games either on my 22" LCD (1680x1050) or sometimes I like to hook it up to my 50" plasma (1920x1080). Most games I play such as TF2, BFBC2, L4D2 and other random games don't see a benefit when I overclock my CPU on either resolution. In fact TF2 for example, which is a CPU limited game, I was curious and downclocked to 2.8Ghz/1.1v (was on a power consumption kick that day, random goals come and go lol) and had basically the same frame rates as I did at 3.6Ghz. This is on my 5850 8xAA/16xAF at 1920x1080.

Sorry I am not trying to de-rail the thread I'm just pitching in my own experience so I will stop with this post. I don't have a brand loyalty to AMD (though I am sure the last few years purchases could make that a curious claim lol) and I am fortunate enough to say that if I NEEDED an i7 for games I could afford such a system without worrying. But really, to play games it seemed like an i7 system was much more than necessary to get the experience, and with my current setup and my gaming experience, I feel I was correct when thinking so

[god_43]

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my system give me around 100fps with any game i play (never played crysis though).

on topic - i am excited for these new cpus, mainly all of the enhancements over Deneb. but my next upgrades wont come until bulldozer/llano. i have a feeling that these will be much closer to the performance of the core i series.