The Fermi Thread - Part 3

[flippin_waffles]

It seems that some are like a loaded spring, waiting to for the first opportunity to say 'see Charlie was full of s))t!). Take this 512 core rumor for example and some posts above. His info has always been, that if there will be any 512 core parts at all, they will be extremely limited and possibly reviewer editions only. If it's 295W, that info isn't all that hard to believe, is it?? Common sense says that they are teatering on the edge of manufacturable, and dropping to 480 cores for availability seems pretty likely. I'll trust Charlie's is correct, given his track record. And if it's wrong, so what.

[Sn0wm@n]

I think that he meant Nvidia's extreme tight lippedness caused all those false info circulating the net so close to the launch.

yep i should hire you as my translator

[Chickenfeed]

Why hasn’t this feature been enabled? Nobody knows but rumours around tend to point to certain licensing costs on Microsoft in order to use this technology - costs which MS will recoup through the more expen$$ive OS-es.

Nail on the head... That said the *correct* conclusion to all this is mainstream 32bit versions of windows won't address excess of 4GB where enterprise versions can. Regardless it doesnt matter. Anyone buying a new platform for performance purposes and still wants to cling x86 doesn't get my sympathies... If you are buying a high end gpu config with 1GB + vram, you more than likely laid down a few bills which in turn means you more than likely populated said system with a liberal amount of RAM which in turn means you'd be retarded to do all of this and still use x86.

[ajaidev]

GeForce GTX 480 : 512 SP, 384-bit, 295W TDP, US$499

GeForce GTX 470 : 448 SP, 320-bit, 225W TDP, US$349

Internal benchmarks reveal that GeForce GTX 470 is some 5-10% faster than Radeon HD 5850 and similiar for GeForce GTX 480 over the Radeon HD 5870.

http://vr-zone.com/articles/nvidia-g...aled/8635.html

I like the prices but tdp is nuts, if gtx 480 is just 5-10% more than 5870 for $499 its noting gr8 "5870 2gb" 5970's “launch” price was about $600USD.

[Marios]

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That spec are BS, reality is different, only 480s picture on FAKE slides is correct, nothing more.

Which fake slides? Link?

[K404]

That 5-10% comes at one hell of a price + power consumption hit.

I suspect thePower Dissipation Density will make OCing these difficult. ATI can drop prices + increase MHz to compete and still have the selling point of lower power consumption by the looks of things

[Manicdan]

That 5-10% comes at one hell of a price + power consumption hit.

I suspect thePower Dissipation Density will make OCing these difficult. ATI can drop prices + increase MHz to compete and still have the selling point of lower power consumption by the looks of things

i think that 5-10% will be 20-30% with some real dx11 games and a few driver updates. but the power consumption is a bit scary. i thought the 2900 was as hot as things should ever be, but the 480 is a monster.

[Vardant]

That 5-10% comes at one hell of a price + power consumption hit.

Who exactly buys high-end GPU and looks at load power consumption? I know I don't and I couldn't care less. If it's gonna draw 400W, I still don't care, if they have the performance to back it up, which we won't know for a couple more days.

What's this habit of posting rumours like they are facts? If it came from a website, which hasn't been wrong, that would be something else, but most of them are just guessing. And what's really messed up, that you believe them every time...not only it becomes annoying very quickly, it makes threads completely useless.

[eric66]

wow zed x now you are playing with us heh so you are basically a liar thanks for confirming that now not only half but all your posts must be ignored lol

[Picao84]

Which fake slides? Link?

I think he is referring to the slides posted a few pages back. The one with the <300W info and the other one comparing GTX480 and HD5870 features.

[Vardant]

Which fake slides? Link?

This one http://forums.vr-zone.com/news-aroun...gtx-480-a.html

Incidentally, one other guy confirmed, that they are indeed fake and he should know, because he has the card.

[K404]

I dont think VR-Zone would repost for the sake of reposting.

I also think that for a big enough % of users to matter... power dissipation does play a part.

Its the equivalent of saying "Hey! Look at this packet of biscuits! Theres a few more in the pack than usual and it costs a crapload more, but theres more biscuits, so its all good!"

[Marios]

I though this design with heatpipes over the card is fake too.

[Sn0wm@n]

I think he is referring to the slides posted a few pages back. The one with the <300W info and the other one comparing GTX480 and HD5870 features.

so fermi's power consumption are really greater then 300 instead of being lesser ????

I though this design with heatpipes over the card is fake too.

they most likely forgot to add the connection to the nuclear power plant + the ln2 cooling chamber

[Carfax]

Internal benchmarks reveal that GeForce GTX 470 is some 5-10% faster than Radeon HD 5850 and similiar for [B]GeForce GTX 480 over the Radeon HD 5870.

Talk about premature.. The HD 5800 series has been out since Q3 last year, and has had ample time to refine and optimize it's drivers.

The same can't be said for Fermi though, and I can recall a few times when Nvidia has released drivers for their new cards which increased performance by as much as 30% across the board (Geforce 3 and Detonator 20xx drivers).

I hope this happens with Fermi as well

[Vardant]

so fermi's power consumption are really greater then 300 instead of being lesser ????

You can't go over that, you won't pass PCI-SIG compliance test.

[Levish]

Who exactly buys high-end GPU and looks at load power consumption? I know I don't and I couldn't care less. If it's gonna draw 400W, I still don't care, if they have the performance to back it up, which we won't know for a couple more days.

What's this habit of posting rumours like they are facts? If it came from a website, which hasn't been wrong, that would be something else, but most of them are just guessing. And what's really messed up, that you believe them every time...not only it becomes annoying very quickly, it makes threads completely useless.

I look at average performance per watt in comparison to competing products. Unfortunately there isn't much to speak of currently since we are limited to two Manuf in the high end.

I don't care if the product X draws 300 or 295 and performs similarly to product Y which draws the same or within ~10%, but I do care if it draws 600 watts and performs similarly (within ~10% on average) to a 225 watt product Y.

Not only is it more expensive to run but I now have twice the heat output that will require additional cooling capacity in the summer (AC).

Where does it stop otherwise?

I'm not going to build a 2Kilo Watt system just to get 60 FPS in crysis...

[Picao84]

so fermi's power consumption are really greater then 300 instead of being lesser ????




they most likely forgot to add the connection to the nuclear power plant + the ln2 cooling chamber

On, continue believing what you want to belive
When someone says "<300W" it means its close to it. Saying that statement is false doesnt imply its more...

[insurgent]

Talk about premature.. The HD 5800 series has been out since Q3 last year, and has had ample time to refine and optimize it's drivers.

The same can't be said for Fermi though, and I can recall a few times when Nvidia has released drivers for their new cards which increased performance by as much as 30% across the board (Geforce 3 and Detonator 20xx drivers).

I hope this happens with Fermi as well

Considering it's size and lengthy development performance should be mind blowing. Nv is making them as fast as possible, ATI is making them as small as possible.

[Blacky]

Fermi GX2 tdp will be mind blowing, i'm sure even if they use 470 chips...I'm under the impression if nvidia release a GTX 475 would be with those 480sp people were talking around now that 512sp of the GTX 480 are "confirmed".

[trinibwoy]

but th customers have a choice to be gouged or not. If you're willing to pay for the goods at inflated prices, then the prices will go up.

Heh, yeah it's so funny when people say that retailers are gouging and yet the product is selling.

[Vardant]

I though this design with heatpipes over the card is fake too.

It's not, I got another confirmation, so it's 3 different sources now. Two of them are reviewers, so it should be solid info.

[Olivon]

wow zed x now you are playing with us heh so you are basically a liar thanks for confirming that now not only half but all your posts must be ignored lol

Well ... Another twelve's year old post from eric66. Bravo

[Picao84]

It's not, I got another confirmation, so it's 3 different sources now. Two of them are reviewers, so it should be solid info.

You know two reviewers? Guys, we got another source! Torture him till he spill the beans!

[Helloworld_98]

nsegative's post looks more accurate,

and it also looks like AMD will keep the lead if they even just drop prices to what they were when they first sold them.