The GT300/Fermi Thread - Part 2!

[mindfury]

GTX470:

Vantage P16600
crysis,1920X1200 veryhigh+8x aa,24fps
crysis,1920X1200 veryhigh+No aa,53fps


Rumor from Chinese forum~
http://mylab.q.yesky.com/thread-121-1-1.html

[Mk]

GTX470:

Vantage P16600
crysis,1920X1200 veryhigh+8x aa,24fps
crysis,1920X1200 veryhigh+No aa,53fps


Rumor from Chinese forum~
http://mylab.q.yesky.com/thread-121-1-1.html

from this GTX 470 is 5 to 10% faster then HD 5870
oh and the clock is 700mhz

[iTravis]

from this GTX 470 is 5 to 10% faster then HD 5870
oh and the clock is 700mhz

I wouldn't jump to such early conclusion since we all know Crysis is obviously optimized and runs better with Nvidia.

[LordEC911]

Anyone else notice the 8pin+8pin+6pin possibility on the GTX480 PCB?

Liquid, Charlie didn't write that latest piece on SA.

Edit-Deimos, that "silly putty" is thermal tape, aka TIM.

[zerazax]

from this GTX 470 is 5 to 10% faster then HD 5870
oh and the clock is 700mhz

According to Vantage, it's around the same speed to slower than the 5870

(pointless to compare scores without specs anyways)

From the pic, you can make it out. It says 625 core.

And 1250 or 1296 shader clock

At first glace thought they use same PCB for GTX470 and GTX480.
But the one in picture above looks shorter (and obviously 6+6 power).

Strange, but it has 10 DRAMs?

GTX 470 = 320-bit = 1280 MB = 10 DRAMs

GTX480 = 384-bit = 1536 MB = 12 DRAMs

No?

[highoctane]

GTX 470 = 320-bit = 1280 MB = 10 DRAMs

GTX480 = 384-bit = 1536 MB = 12 DRAMs

No?

Since nvidia uses 64 bit memory controllers,

gtx470 = 5x64 bit (320) = 10 drams x 128 = 1280
gtx480 = 6x64 bit (384) = 12 drams x 128 = 1536

Each controller utilizing two drams

[Your_Boss]

GTX470:

Vantage P16600
crysis,1920X1200 veryhigh+8x aa,24fps
crysis,1920X1200 veryhigh+No aa,53fps


Rumor from Chinese forum~
http://mylab.q.yesky.com/thread-121-1-1.html

So are we guessing what these blurred out numbers are?

Or do we already know?

I guess they are 625, 1250, respectively.

[saaya]

GTX470:

Vantage P16600
crysis,1920X1200 veryhigh+8x aa,24fps
crysis,1920X1200 veryhigh+No aa,53fps
Rumor from Chinese forum~
http://mylab.q.yesky.com/thread-121-1-1.html

lol, bad job at bluring the numbers, its obviously 625mhz core and 1250mhz shader clocks

have you guys seen this?
heise.de reported that perf of a 470 is between a 5850 and a 5870, closer to a 5870, but slower. and they mentioned 470 specs to be 448cores?
http://www.semiaccurate.com/2010/03/...ugh-thrashing/

oh and they messured the ihs to be 41mmx41mm...
and tweakers.net reported the initial run to be 5k cards only?
but is that 480s, or 470s or both?
http://www.semiaccurate.com/2010/03/...cret-location/

Anyone else notice the 8pin+8pin+6pin possibility on the GTX480 PCB?

no, where? you mean on the left of the power connectors? those holes are too small for a power connector, arent they?

EDIT: Why do both 470 and 480 require the big fan holes in PCB?

because nvidia hired some weird pcb/card layoutengineer a while back who thinks putting holes in cards is cool, literally
remember the dual gpu cards? they kept putting holes in them, even when people put tape over the holes and found out that they actually dont impact the temperatures at all they continued to do this

Rumor from Chinese forum:
http://we.pcinlife.com/thread-1366899-1-1.html


The Chinese name card is most likely GTX470,but I'm not sure.

so it sucks less than a 5870 at 1920x1080 with max details and 8aa... but is still unplayable... lol
seems like the 470 has only 448 cores and seems to have notably lower gddr5 clocks as well, making it fall behind the 295 by quite a bit...

i heard that nvidia had problems getting gddr5 clocks up, but that was quite a while ago and i thought they had solved that by now...

470's retail price is little cheaper than 5850,what do you think?

huh? how much do you claim it will cost then? cause so far the rumors were around 450us$ for the 470...

OMG, your sig made me laugh so hard that a bit of wee came out

eew! :S

http://www.abload.de/img/nv-tesselation-benchma0m5f.jpg
new picture?!

2x faster between seconds xx and seconds xy, LOL
so what, do they expect reviews to create a custom unigine bench based on the part of the benchmark where gf100 does better than rv870?
thats just sad... if nvidia goes that far to somehow make gf100 look good, then wow... it sounds like it really sucks as bad as charlie wrote :/

http://kotaku.com/5484795/just-cause...oves-on-nvidia

If it something be advertised for NVIDIA and anything related to them. I.e Cuda and physX, fermi it should die. This would normally sound sarcastic but this is AMDz.....I mean xtremesystems.

The purpose of this thread was to contain the trolling around the forums and to reduce the amount of Fermi threads. But now all the fermi trolling is concentrated to make the so called "trolling party" and in addition, there seems to be anything related to AMD at all, to be posted in the news section. From every single 5970 being released(5970 black edition, 5970 sapphire edition, 5970 ares edition, 5970 haxxors edition) to AMD contests(MSI 58xx total prize value for three prizes 800 dollars), to someone posting something related to a currency which just happened to be AMD abbreviated, interviews with AMD people(catalyst maker x2), blogs, drivers and etc.

It just feels like an AMD forum, which normally isn't bad. But this forum already has an AMD section and most of this stuff could go in there or tech talk or extreme competition(which is also for contests). I started feeling sorry for Nvidia a long time ago with all the trolling against them. Sure they rename alot but they are not doing some terribly underhanded like what Intel did against AMD.

Anything like a negative rumor against NV seems to be posted instantly and its hard to not feel sorry for them. E.g things like charlie articles and somehow even positive like their recent financial results have even been trolled or them giving away a game.

NV could cure cancer and it would somehow be trolled.

maaaaybe, just maybe its because there havent really been any news about nvidia and their products? just mention a couple of good news that you think should have been posted in the news section on xs but nobody did?
and the news here are posted by anybody who wants to share some interesting knews he found somewhere... so what keeps you from posting news that you think havent been posted here yet and are interesting?

Oh, then it must certainly be an irrelevant POS if it slipped under your radar.

i heard it was a fun game, but it really wasnt very popular... so chill out, lots of people dont know about it, that has nothing to do with the quality of the game at all... barely anybody knows about fear2 and it slipped under most peoples radars, mine included, but its an awesome game... why are you always so defensive when people mention something bad about some game?

Yep, if there are open alternatives. Which there aren't. There are millions of CUDA capable card owners out there who will benefit from these additions who won't care much that it's proprietary.

opencl and compute shaders are not an alternative to cuda? why?

- Partners still don't have final design yet. They only know the dimensions and cooling design currently.

BTW, "launch" date is still March 26th (3 weeks), I hope.

hmmmm am i the only one who finds this a bit contradicting?
partners dont even have final cards yet, launch date is in 3 weeks... 0_o

whats with the pictuires with white outs and black outs that makes no sense whatsoever. remeber leaked HD5 series pics? were any of them whited out?? nope why the secrecy? maybe because this isnt what it will actually be? i just dont get it

leaks of 5k stuff was mostly ati approved or tolerated, nvidia is veeery serious about leaks, so people and companies are more careful, naturally...

Just to clear things up about CUDA + Just Cause 2.

OpenCL and DX Compure Shaders are accelerated THROUGH the CUDA architecture standards. As such, the effects in Just Cause 2 will likely be accelerated on AMD hardware through their Stream architecture as well if they use OpenCL or Compute Shaders.

Everyone has to remember that CUDA is an all-encompassing term for the architecture that accelerates all types of APIs on NVIDIA GPUs (OpenCL, PhysX, folding, Compute Shaders, ray tracing, Adobe Photoshop GPU acceleration, Flash acceleration, etc., etc.). It is WAS proprietary but is now acting as a type of umbrella term for everything GPU accelerated. Much like Stream on AMD products.

cheers, thanks for the headsup!

uhmm that all you get folks until further console upgrade of course sorry 2900xt had awesome shader power also nearly was 2 3 times better than 8800gtx but no games used it so that made 2900xt be marked as flop same thing is gonna happen to gtx 480 imho

lol wutt? so by now, where games use more shader power the 2900xt should be 2-3 times as fast as a 8800gtx?

Say Nvidia prices the cards $200 lower than necessary to break even with production costs. What does it cost them at this stage (if the 5000 cards rumor is correct of course)? 1 million dollars. That's a lolzor amount for Nvidia.

true... but whats the point of this pr stunt if you cant meet demands... even if people love your product, if they cant buy it, they will forget about it...

Hah, nVidia using Heaven 1.1 (30% more performance in culling, aka Dragon parts of the benchmarks) while ATI uses Heaven 1.0!

It's like Nehalem and Cinebench R10 "R11" dll swap all over again!

so 1.1 will boost rv870 performance as well? are you sure?

Somehow, SKYMTL has turned into an NVIDIA's ambassador in this forum. Weird.

i dont think so, he sounds very obective to me

I heard nVIDIA gave him 20k$.

20k$ worth in fermis? ie one card? heheheh

i think power consumption doesnt really matter, and performance doesnt matter all that much either... price performance is what matters now that we have mainstream cards that are powerful enough to build a highend gaming pc...