The GT300/Fermi Thread - Part 2!

[zalbard]

$299 for GTX 470
$399 for GTX 480
$499 for double GF100

These prices wil become reality if ATi has an existing or new/refresh card to match/beat the Fermi-lineup at launch. Otherwise you can add about $100 to $200 from bottom to top, would I suggest.

Yeah, right, so a card that is supposed to be much more expensive to make than 5970 and that is expected to be faster as well will be $200 faster?
Seriously, don't get your hopes high, everyone and their grandmother knows that Fermi will not come cheap.

what games, besides Crysis&CrysisWH, don't run at 60+ at 1920x1200 4xAA/16xAF with HD 5970 ?

Some games with heavy texture mods (and some aero sims I think). But you have a point, no doubt.

GTX480 = 512SP, 650MHz core/1350 shader, 5870 = -10%~+15% (very low availability. For reviewers and PR) $599.99
GTX470 = 480SP, 675MHz core/1450 shader, 5850 = +15~+20% (Better avail. Most widely sold over GTX480) $449.99

Just guesses!

No way GTX470 is going to be higher clocked than GTX480, just look at 5870 and 5850...

wtf?

http://www.semiaccurate.com/2010/02/...e-fermin-card/

ROFL! Hilarious!

rage is a console engine

More like a multiplatform one, like all of them these days.
And Carmack promised that PC gamers won't be disappointed as usually!

700+ MHZ frecuency of the core is a myth..
GEFORCE GTX 480 will have 48 ROP not to "have more than Ati " but to compensate lower GPU frecuency. And the power consumption will not be so bad as predicted.
625-650 core frecuency more reality.

Source or it didn't happen...

meaning it will be made to run on consoles first, PCs later. Yet another console conversion.

Any proof? I am hoping for a simultaneous launch. ID and Bethesda haven't failed to satisfy before.

Anyone know the length of the 480?
Id hate to buy a case it doesn't fit in..

From the first pics it seems to be as long or a bit shorter than 295.

We shouldn't compare 5870 with GTX 295. these are 2 different generations, after all.

Why not? They are both for sale right now, and every person interested in buying a graphics card right now should consider all options. GFX295 isn't bad at all, especially if you're a fan of PhysX, CUDA, 3D or crunching. Or an ATI driver hater...

Wow, you're a smart guy
Keep contributing

Are you on a misson to annoy certain posters or something? This is all I see you doing in this thread...

[BenchZowner]

Are you on a misson to annoy certain posters or something? This is all I see you doing in this thread...

No, I'm only laughing at stupid (?) people posting hilarious stuff ( "GTX 470 performing better than the GTX 480" is the best until now )

[Sam_oslo]

Yeah, right, so a card that is supposed to be much more expensive to make than 5970 and that is expected to be faster as well will be $200 faster?
Seriously, don't get your hopes high, everyone and their grandmother knows that Fermi will not come cheap.

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If the price was up to the producers, a GPU would cos 5 times more, because these guys are "businessmen" and never get enough.
The price is more impacted by the competition then the production-cost or producer-desires. It is all based on a simple rule, demand and availability. A competing ATi card will reduce the demand and price, it is a simple rule that apply to all products.

A good example on how this works:
ATi had no competition for 5x-series. You take a look at the 5790-prices and compare it to 4870x2-launch price and tell me why it is so much more?

[zalbard]

A good example on how this works:
ATi had no competition for 5x-series. You take a look at the 5790-prices and compare it to 4870x2-launch price and tell me why it is so much more?

$50 difference isn't too much... $599 MRSP vs $549 MRSP.



You're, on the other hand, proposing ground breaking pricing.

[Sam_oslo]

$50 difference isn't too much... $599 MRSP vs $549 MRSP.

http://i301.photobucket.com/albums/nn79/zalbard/4870x2.jpg[/IMG]

You're, on the other hand, proposing ground breaking pricing.

I've been proposing the top dog for $499 (if ATi puts up competition), so actually I'm proposing the same difference, but the opposite way.

[Iconyu]

I've been proposing the top dog for $499 (if ATi puts up competition), so actually I'm proposing the same difference, but the opposite way.

Ram prices are higher, and the cores cost more to make. The price will drop, but only if ATI are forced to do so, why drop they price when they aren't even overstocked?

[insurgent]

You take a look at the 5790-prices and compare it to 4870x2-launch price and tell me why it is so much more?

Because there's no competition atm, and whichever company has the advantage it's the consumers that always get screwed, usually willingly though

[Sam_oslo]

Because there's no competition atm, and whichever company has the advantage it's the consumers that always get screwed, usually willingly though

Exactly, and they have a tendency to get extra greedy without a competition.

ATi kept the supply of 5x-series just under the marked demand, because there was no competing nVidia GPU that could fill the vacuum for high-end GPU. ATi had the opportunity (and all those good reasons, including bad yield ) to keep the supply at the desired level for marketing-department.
Therefore the real retail-prices ended up way over MRSP. I was considering to get a 5970 at that time, but couldn't find anything under $700 in stock for a long while.

[FischOderAal]

ATi had no competition for 5x-series. You take a look at the 5790-prices and compare it to 4870x2-launch price and tell me why it is so much more?

A 40 nm wafer is more expensive than a 55 nm wafer, hence the pricing difference.

[Sn0wm@n]

A 40 nm wafer is more expensive than a 55 nm wafer, hence the pricing difference.

eeeee id like to have info on that... the waffers are still 12 inch from 55nm to 40nm so the price shouldnt change.... but i could be wrong.... thus a linky to help me understand more

[ElSel10]

Source or it didn't happen...

48 ROPs has been known for a while now. And clock speeds from 600-650MHz is very reasonable.