ATI Radeon HD5830

[[XC] gomeler]

I think it's quite possible AMD might not want this card to become too popular as they might be forced to laser cut large numbers of working chips to fulfill demand. In any case let's see where this card lands before we start dissing it.

I doubt it. No sense in butchering working cores when the 5850/5870 are still selling incredibly well.

[Helmore]

I doubt it. No sense in butchering working cores when the 5850/5870 are still selling incredibly well.

Don't you mean to say you agree with him? He's basically saying the same thing as you are....

[Locke]

I have a feeling this is the perfect card for the 1680x1050 crowd.
Once you up the res to 1920x1200/1080 the 5850 should pull ahead due to the ROPs but the extra shading power at 1680x1050 should keep it ahead of the 5770.

+1 I was thinking the same thing. This card's value is based on resolution and final retail price.

[mindfury]

http://translate.google.cn/translate...&sl=auto&tl=en

More test in link~

[LightSpeed]

That just looks...wrong

I mean, with an extra 320 shaders over the 4890, slightly lower clock, it should pull ahead of the 275 when the 4890 more or less matches it in warhead @ 1920...

I see ~GTX285 performance, but lets just wait and see

[eric66]

not bad results btw anyone noticed superior nvidia card performance in far cry 2 no wonder they choose far cry 2 bench for fermi lol

[Astennu]

I found a nice review:

http://www.computerbase.de/artikel/h...ting_qualitaet

But i stand corrected. Performance was lower then i expected. Power Consumption is higher compared to the 5850.

But it uses a HD5870 PCB and cooler. (i bet the core runs on 1.16v instead of the hd5850's 1.09v). Anyway its a nice tweak card because you can adjust the memory voltage aswell. (not possible with a 5850 PCB)

But the performance is lower then i expected. Its performance is closer to the HD5770 then the HD5850.

I guess those ROPS would be good for 5-10% extra performance. But still if the price is good it can still be a nice card to own.

[SocketMan]

I found a nice review:

http://www.computerbase.de/artikel/h...ting_qualitaet

But i stand corrected. Performance was lower then i expected. Power Consumption is higher compared to the 5850.

But it uses a HD5870 PCB and cooler. (i bet the core runs on 1.16v instead of the hd5850's 1.09v). Anyway its a nice tweak card because you can adjust the memory voltage aswell. (not possible with a 5850 PCB)

But the performance is lower then i expected. Its performance is closer to the HD5770 then the HD5850.

I guess those ROPS would be good for 5-10% extra performance. But still if the price is good it can still be a nice card to own.

GTX285 loses the tests across the board to 5830,yet costs a lot more then 250$.
NV should drop their prices,before ATI does - it's just common sense to me.

[tajoh111]

GTX285 loses the tests across the board to 5830,yet costs a lot more then 250$.
NV should drop their prices,before ATI does - it's just common sense to me.

Are we looking at the same review? Those graphs seem to show the gtx 285 is faster across all resolutions.

Most of these reviews are showing this card is slower than the 4890 which can be found for 200 dollars or less. The 5830 needs to lower its price.

[eric66]

4890 for 200 where lol product is eoled

[ChaosAD]

No matter whats the 5830 performace, its slower than the 5850 for sure. And it costs 2 euros more here in Greece. LOL!

[LedHed]

"ATI stumbles with HD 5830"

http://www.bit-tech.net/hardware/gra...0-1gb-review/1

As the HD 5830 delivers performance almost perfectly between that of a HD 5770 and HD 5850, even if we account for the apparent price rise in the HD 5850 to £250, the HD 5830 should surely split the difference between the two existing Radeon cards. This would place the HD 5830 at £182.50, a more reasonable price for the comparative level of performance.

At £200, the HD 5830 is pitched at being a high-performance graphics card, and that claim is hard to fathom from our testing. Both the GTX 275 and the HD 4890 deliver similar, and in some cases superior performance to that of the HD 5830, and it’s something of a symptom of mid-range Radeon HD 5000-series cards that absolute bang-for-buck hasn’t moved on much since the DX10 era. If you’ve got a high-end GeForce GTX 200-series card or a fast Radeon HD 4890, the £210 for this card gets you only lower power consumption and DX11 support.

ATI has a DX11 monopoly, and so perhaps we shouldn't be surprised that the company is charging a premium for its cards. Indeed, we're not against companies wanting a return on their investment in new technology - but quite simply, the pricing of this card just isn't fair, and if you spend £200+ on a HD 5830 you are getting a product that is very poor value.

This isn’t just a case of wishful thinking on our part. The performance of the HD 5830 is mid-way between that of a HD 5770 and a HD 5850 and yet its price isn't. Perhaps partner cards can sweeten the deal with excellent cooling, overclocking wizardry or generous bundles, but we’ll wait till we see those cards before getting our credit cards out.

[Glow9]

GTX285 loses the tests across the board to 5830,yet costs a lot more then 250$.
NV should drop their prices,before ATI does - it's just common sense to me.

ati should drop their 5850 prices their original msrp of $259. When I see prices like $339 for a stock 5850 from XFX that just pisses me off.

Bit-tech and Legit definitely my fav reviews for the 5830.

[annihilat0r]

GTX285 loses the tests across the board to 5830,yet costs a lot more then 250$.
NV should drop their prices,before ATI does - it's just common sense to me.

WHAT?

From what I've been reading, even a GTX 275 is faster than 5830

[Mungri]

Erm, let me get this right:

ATI 5770 - £119
ATI 5830 - £205
ATI 5850 - £229

Why the heck would anyone want the one in the middle?

The best thing going at these price points is still a dual 5770 setup.

[Olivon]

Marc and Damien bring good enlightments about low perf compared to 4890 in their Hardware.fr's preview. Interesting.

[Mungri]

Its even more interesting to read that the 5830 still performs worse than a 4890 for over £200??? How does that happen when the 5830 is a little higher specified?

I feel sorry for anyone that buys one of these because they wanted something better than a 5770. Dont do it and just pay the extra for a 5850 or xfire 5770.

At its current asking price, it really should have been 32 ROPs and 1280 shaders, 256 bit, and then if possible, a 5790 could have been 1120 shaders, 16 ROPs, 128 bit to perfectly fill the gap between 5770 and 5850.

[LedHed]

Its even more interesting to read that the 5830 still performs worse than a 4890 for over £200??? How does that happen when the 5830 is a little higher specified?

I feel sorry for anyone that buys one of these because they wanted something better than a 5770. Dont do it and just pay the extra for a 5850 or xfire 5770.

At its current asking price, it really should have been 32 ROPs and 1280 shaders, 256 bit, and then if possible, a 5790 could have been 1120 shaders, 16 ROPs, 128 bit to perfectly fill the gap between 5770 and 5850.

It's all about ATI price gouging DX11 hardware, but when will we get the first DX11 only game? I'm thinking it's at least 6 months to a year away and please don't come in here screaming DIRT 2. Any "DX11" game right now is just DX10 with a few added features from DX11.

[BababooeyHTJ]

It's all about ATI price gouging DX11 hardware, but when will we get the first DX11 only game? I'm thinking it's at least 6 months to a year away and please don't come in here screaming DIRT 2. Any "DX11" game right now is just DX10 with a few added features from DX11.

Stop trolling! How many DX10 only games are there? I just said this in another thread. Why not just buy a DX9 only card? It's not like these things are slower in DX10. DX11 is an added feature and is a plus any way that you look at it. 99% of DX10 games are just DX9 with a couple of added features at a massive performance hit.

I agree that this card is a little pricey for what you are getting but the rest of the line up isn't too bad imo.

I'm not even an ATI fanboy, I thought that the 4xxx series was way over rated and even I'm tired of your trolling.

[B-Shot]

I think ATI Just wants to flood the market some before nvida's release date and to see what price nvidia's cards will be and then drop the prices of the 5xxx cards and maybe 2x5830's will preform better than than nvida's offering for a cheaper price

[insurgent]

Who's going to develop DX11 games anyway if hardware is non-existent? Would it please a certain fanboy more if the green team was first to put out DX11 parts? It would be hilarious if we have DX11 games and no hardware.

[Mungri]

I for one wish that all new games could now be made with DX11 features.

Dirt 2 isnt the only DX11 game, theres also Battleforge which gains significant performance benefits on DX11 hardware (nothing bad about more performance), and I am also waiting for the DX11 update to DDO which should be out soon, as well as for Lotro.

And DX11 came out 3 months ago, exactly how many DX11 games can you make in 3 months?

If new games dont have any DX11 features, then that is due to nothing more than lazy development teams, but DX11 is easier to code than earlier versions, and it can be switched off in the options for older hardware (e.g. Heaven benchmark), so why is there any problem at all with implementing DX11 support in new games?

Oh, Guild Wars 2 is also going to support DX11, but will be backwards compatible too, this was mentioned by their CM on some forums.

[Mungri]

Who's going to develop DX11 games anyway if hardware is non-existent? Would it please a certain fanboy more if the green team was first to put out DX11 parts? It would be hilarious if we have DX11 games and no hardware.

Just to add to this, DX10 was poorly supported because Vista was crap, and optimising games for DX10 made them slower.

But windows 7 is actually very very good and definately worth upgrading to from XP now, and DX11 optimisation can actually be used to improve performance like Battleforge has done.

I dont understand why people who own capable PCs for playing up to date and modern games should have to settle for poor support for modern features in new games just because game developers are trying to appease the stubborn gamers who refuse to move on from win XP and think that higher quality graphic options are bad just because they dont want to play games with any features turned off on Win XP.

Win XP and DX9 is so outdated, can we please move onto DX11 like nowish?

I would like that very much . I mean, imagine making games which dont have AA or high resolution support with WoW graphics, just so people who still have a Geforce 2 MX can run them ^^.

[annihilat0r]

It's hilarious how everyone misses the simple fact that ALL games are written for consoles, consoles are DX9 (with some DX10 features) and nobody cares about the PC.

Unless someone with a Crytek-like vision (I will make the best looking game ever, and so it has to be PC exclusive, period) comes, invests a lot of money to build an amazing looking game from scratch for DX11, you are going to have to wait until the next generation of consoles come, and by then we might be talking about DX12 anyway

[Astennu]

Marc and Damien bring good enlightments about low perf compared to 4890 in their Hardware.fr's preview. Interesting.

I have seen that one aswell. There is something wrong with the drivers. ROP performance is way to low. Its almost 50% slower then a 5770. And the 5770 only had a 50 mhz clock advantage. I expect that the HD5830 performance can be fixed with a driver optimization for the ROP's.

It's all about ATI price gouging DX11 hardware, but when will we get the first DX11 only game? I'm thinking it's at least 6 months to a year away and please don't come in here screaming DIRT 2. Any "DX11" game right now is just DX10 with a few added features from DX11.

AMD is not price gouging. The stores and retailers are. They both put 40$ (total of 80 up to 100$) extra on the price. And thats why are are so expensive.

As for DX11:

-Dirt 2
-Aliens VS Predator
-Battleforge

All those titles can use DX11. This is way faster compared to DX9 and DX10. We already have DX11 titels that we can play. And there are more to come.

I think ATI Just wants to flood the market some before nvida's release date and to see what price nvidia's cards will be and then drop the prices of the 5xxx cards and maybe 2x5830's will preform better than than nvida's offering for a cheaper price

Just let the prices stabilize first. In my country there is no shop that can supply a HD5850. They are all out of stock (same goes for the 5870 and 5970).

And they can supply a HD5830 at the moment. For prices that are 15-20% lower then the 5850.

I agree that with the current performance you can better buy a 5770. But i have some hopes that they can fix the performance with a update. Current drivers for the RV870 are optimised for 32 ROP's. If you look at that frensh website you can see the ROP performance is terrible low 50% slower then a 5770. Thats just not right.