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    120-240mm AIO/sealed, WC systems

    It's actually for for HTPC build, so extreme OC is not mandatory...
    I assume there's still users in this forum who don't necessarily OC everything they own?

    I've been doing a lot of reading and I've ascertained that a slightly modded H50 can come close to or equal the best air coolers at load.
    And it usually surpasses them and remains more consistent/stable at idle.

    Granted at the expense of not being much quieter, but with some creative mounting it should definitely be less cluttered in a mATX case.
    I'm interested how the Eco might also weigh-up to that....

    Or 240mm cousins of the H50 may be a little more palatable to some of the 'custom loopers' in this sub-forum
    http://www.ncixus.com/products/35702...012200/Asetek/
    http://www.northq.com/products/coolers/nq3590.html

    *edit* changed OP as it was not clear.
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    I haven't seen any reviews, but I went by their booth at the CES show and their stuff was awesome. Sorry, I know that didn't help.
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    Their last revision (Domino) was pretty ordinary compared to the Corsair H50 (based on something created by Asetek).
    I'm hoping they've improved dramatically. Alas I can't wait, but I'll be hanging around to see the outcome....

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    It's cheap and made by CoolIT... that should tell you something, right?

    I haven't seen a good review of one yet and haven't had a chance to play with one myself. Though, I've been told that they were putting on a little smoke & mirrors "demonstration" with one at CES. Unfortunately, I wasn't feeling well enough at the time to drag myself to their booth.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Petra View Post
    It's cheap and made by CoolIT... that should tell you something, right? .
    Maybe, but I also wanna see solid comparative data/reviews.


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    this is an enthusiast watercooling forum.

    Not a basic cooling section.

    True that product does belong in this section, however, your only gonna get bad comments about it.

    Why? because look at the other posts and around... this isnt a place to ask about prebuilt kits, unless it has at least a 120x2 radiator attached to it.
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    Okay thanks for your opinion...
    By all means feel free to ignore the thread if it disinterests you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NaeKuh View Post
    this is an enthusiast watercooling forum.

    Not a basic cooling section.

    True that product does belong in this section, however, your only gonna get bad comments about it.

    Why? because look at the other posts and around... this isnt a place to ask about prebuilt kits, unless it has at least a 120x2 radiator attached to it.
    well

    no its not..

    it says.. liquid cooling section... not xtreme elitist water cooling selection...

    I know your well respected and you have a good knowledge on watercooling... but don't be an ass... if thats all he can afford just advise hmi it would be wiser to save up and purchase a better cooling solution..
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jamesrt2004 View Post
    well

    no its not..

    it says.. liquid cooling section... not xtreme elitist water cooling selection...
    no my comment was meant as take all other comments as a grain of salt.

    Because if u look at all the other prekits brought on this forum, it was flamed.

    So i am warning the op, what people will say about it, is because everyone is up'd significantly in tier.

    And if i wanted to be mean, i would of added personal comments about the product instead it was just a warning to the op letting him know he will get a lot of negative statements about it.
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    I understand your rationale now, thanks for clarifying Naekuh, no hard feelings.
    As now clarified in my OP, I have no intention to do much (if anything) in the way of OC.

    Thanks.
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    Its a prebuilt kit, like the H5O.

    I even had the corsair Rep state the H5O is not intended to compete against other water kits:

    I am a Mod on AT, and this is an Official Corsair Rep:

    Quote Originally Posted by imported_Barbarossa
    I should hope so, the Swiftech Compact costs more than twice as much!

    I respect your opinion - but the rest of your post isn't describing the approach we took with the H50. You're describing a great product - one that would outperform the H50, but would be much, much more expensive.

    We've partnered with Swiftech before on products - the Corsair COOL, for example. We've also produced external cooling solutions like the Nautilus 500.

    In reality - the number of people who spend more than $100 on CPU cooling is very small, and most of them are going to build their own liquid cooling loop.

    From a sales perspective - there just aren't enough customers to justify the development costs. That doesn't mean that we won't do it - it just means it's harder to make money if we decide to do that.

    Thanks for your comments - you've really brought the opposing viewpoint out and showed that there are some people out there that the H50 isn't designed for. We knew that to begin with - we never wanted to compete with the Swiftech unit, but instead were trying to compete against high-end aircooling.

    So yeah, you can buy a TRUE and lap it, do the washer mod, get some decent fans and you'll outperform the H50 in a high-airflow case. But for most people - they'd rather buy something off the shelf and have it work right out of the box.

    We're not trying to be the best CPU cooler in the world - just the best one for ~$70.


    PS - if you want to see it pitted against an IFX-14, check here: http://www.informaticaeasy.net...s-ifx-14.html?start=10

    It's in Italian but the graphs are easily understood. We're very competitive with the IFX-14.
    So there target audience isnt people who really want a migration to water.
    The swiftech compact is even considered lacking on this forum... :P

    It will perform about as good as an top class air sink.
    And if your HTPC doesnt have a 120mm spot, it will be harder to install then a HTPC sink from thermalright.

    http://jab-tech.com/Thermalright-AXP...k-pr-4375.html


    Ive used 2 of those guys on HTPC systems... they will pull off what your asking for quietly on a 140mm fan.
    And less hassles associated with water to begin with.
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    Yes I do realise all this, but thanks for clarifying further.
    I just want to know if the Eco's better still than the H50.

    Interesting suggestion RE the AXP-140, I will keep it in mind, thanks.

    The 240mm pre-builts 'sans mods' should be better than air cooling, but I'm not sure I'm interested in them.
    And again nothing compared to custom loops....
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    Thats a shame these kits get flamed at all. I am interesting in seeing how one of these perform and its a shame I have to go out to other sites to see reviews.

    Not everything I do is on the extreme side of things, but I would prefer to see unbiased reviews by people who know what they are talking about with out it becoming a flame on the product.

    If its a smoke and mirror game that was at CES then great, lets set the record stright without making side comments to back that up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Buckeye View Post
    Thats a shame these kits get flamed at all. I am interesting in seeing how one of these perform and its a shame I have to go out to other sites to see reviews.

    Not everything I do is on the extreme side of things, but I would prefer to see unbiased reviews by people who know what they are talking about with out it becoming a flame on the product.


    edit: been working on documentation all day, emoticon responses are all I can do at the moment.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jalyst View Post
    Yes I realise all this, but thanks for clarifying further.
    The 240mm pre-builts I linked to should be a slightly different matter, but I'm not sure I'm interested in them.
    And again nothing compared to custom loops....
    well the problem your gonna run into is air space.

    Thats why i usually air cool my htpcs.

    Your cpu is not the only thing that needs to keep cool.

    Your ram, northbridge, mosfets, gpu requires air.

    when building a HTPC, just remember, its not a desktop so its OC doesnt need to be up there, and things get hot the faster you ramp them up.
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    Quote Originally Posted by skinnee View Post


    edit: been working on documentation all day, emoticon responses are all I can do at the moment.
    Thanks Skinnee

    Nice youtube also, thanks for posting that.
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    Yeah I'm a little sceptical about their claims in that video, and frankly I'm not expecting what they're trying to suggest.
    But an improvement over the H50 would be nice...
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    229.95 for a

    ApogeeGT
    MCR120
    DDC-3.1 from the looks of it
    4 feet of tubing?

    uhh.... they shopping from aqua tunning with the rights to the names?

    No comment... pit it against a swiftech compact, and watch it get owned...
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    Quote Originally Posted by jalyst View Post
    Yeah I'm a little sceptical about their claims in that video, and frankly I'm not expecting what they're trying to suggest.
    But an improvement over the H50 would be nice...
    yeah the domino had pump issues..

    Quote Originally Posted by NaeKuh View Post
    229.95 for a

    ApogeeGT
    MCR120
    DDC-3.1 from the looks of it
    4 feet of tubing?

    uhh.... they shopping from aqua tunning with the rights to the names?

    No comment... pit it against a swiftech compact, and watch it get owned...
    pawned with money @ stock?


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    WOW! Thanks for linking that vid Honda, just goes to show how dishonest some vendors will go to wow the uninformed.

    1/2" tubing?. . .really?, maybe O.D. but, the last time I looked, DDC's had 3/8 native barbs.

    Fan, same as used on the ECO. . .mounted on a BI GTS. 30 FPI compared to what looks to be 14-18 FPI for the ECO rad.

    . . .and of course the most egregious mistake that's already been pointed out, a Swiftech Apogee GT is the "latest". . .???, really?. . .I'll bet that pitch is really pulling in the dullard moths.

    I'd really have to question everything coming out of that guys mouth. He's just lucky I wasn't at CES, I'd would have failed at restraining myself from ripping him a new one in front of everybody.
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    !?!

    Okay, horribly sick or not, now I'm annoyed that I didn't drag myself out to their booth. Their pricing is misleading, their description of the setup is misleading, no details were given in that video about the heating elements/die sim they were employing (i.e. it would be a piece of cake to whip up a die sim configuration which could put a flat Apogee or Apogee GT at a substantial disadvantage), and, depending on which way they have the fans going, ambient heat sources on either side of that display could skew things substantially.

    ...it's so easy to manipulate a "test" to get whatever result you want

    Kinda makes me want to play with one.
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    that video was actually for you...LOL


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    As silly as their claims are, my interest in how it compares to the H50 remains.
    For my intended use (as explained), if it's a marked improvement, then it'd be close to ideal.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hondacity View Post
    yeah the domino had pump issues..
    Yeah & the odd/minor exploding issue

    That's the main thing that worries me about going the Eco route actually, even if it is markedly better.
    By all accounts (mostly hearsay admittedly) their customer support mechanisms are horrid...

    With Corsair, if you can demonstrate that leakage damaged your gear, then they'll reimburse you that amt.
    CoolIT I believe will only do an RMA, they won't help you out with any gear that's been damaged.
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