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    The Linux world makes much of its community roots, but when it comes to developing the kernel of the operating system, it's less a case of "volunteers ahoy!" and more a case of "where's my pay?"

    During a presentation at Linux.conf.au 2010 in Wellington, LWN.net founder and kernel contributor Jonathan Corbet offered an analysis of the code contributed to the Linux kernel between December 24 2008 and January 10 2010. (The kernel serves as a basis from which individual distributions such as Ubuntu, Debian or Red Hat are developed, though these will often add or remove specific features.)

    A massive amount of coding went on in that period: 2.8 million lines of code and 55,000 major changes were contributed to the kernel, which evolved from version 2.6.28 to 2.6.32 over that time. "The development process is clearly quite alive and quite active," Corbet said, noting that this amount to more than 7,000 lines of code added every day.

    The most striking aspect of the analysis, however, was where those lines of code originated from. 18% of contributions to the kernel were made without a specific corporate affiliation, suggesting true volunteer efforts. An additional 7% weren't classified. The remainder were from people working for specific companies in roles where developing that code was a major requirement. "75% of the code comes from people paid to do it," Corbet said.

    Within that field, Red Hat topped that chart with 12%, followed by Inte with 8%, IBM and Novell with 6% each, and Oracle 3%. Despite the clear commercial rivalry between those players, central kernel development worked well, Corbet noted.

    Those figures also don't include companies like Google which rely on Linux-based systems for their own technology, but tend not to contribute code back to the kernel. Google has said that it wants to become more involved in working with the core kernel team, moving away from its traditionally secretive approach about its own systems. "This is a process a lot of companies seem to need to go through," Corbet said.

    In earlier incarnations getting support for specific devices built into the kernel has been a major challenge for Linux, but Corbet said that the process was now much more streamlined. "Hardware support is nearly universal, we support more hardware than just about any other system Graphics by the end of this year is really not going to be a big problem."

    While some devices such as network adaptors still needed reverse engineering to work under Linux because vendors would not share information about their architecture, Corbet suggested those examples were rare and that alternative equipment was usually available. "The best thing to do is avoid those vendors. We really don't need them anymore."
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    I'm confused as to why this is news of any sort. Does open source imply that its contributors are unemployed hobos? Of course most high quality open source code will be contributed by professionals.

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    Yeah kind of lost why it is news, and I kind of see this as a good thing. Companies are paying people to make Linux a better kernel and its still free. I say keep doing it because I love Red Hat and Jolicloud.
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    interesting... but what exactly did those devs add to the kernel? seriously important functionality to improve linux overall, or did they add features and support for hardware and software of the companies they get paid by?

    id see this as great news actually... how lame would it be if, with all the corporate usage of linux these days, the companies benefitting from linux wouldnt contribute to the development of the kernel at all or only make up a small part of it? even if 100% would be paid devs, so what? its a huge team of devs from around the globe, all over the industry, supporting an open source project. its not like them getting paid for it makes linux and their work a less noble cause...

    it seems some people think that if they get paid then theres no difference between linux and MS and MacOS... well there is... its still open source vs closed source...
    if they code for linux they dont just code for the company that pays their salary, they code for all of us. thats a huge difference imo...
    its actually really great to see that they get paid for their hard work towards a very noble cause
    the linux organization seems to be doing a good job at managing the kernel and the development...
    its a shame that they still lag behind technology wise, and didnt make good use of the netbook revolution which had a huge potential at getting the masses hooked on linux, but they are definitely improving... while microsoft seems to have lost its direction
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    What's the point of this article? Of course any talented kernel developer will get hired to do just that. I think a more important statistic would be how many of those paid developers contributed to the kernel or other open source projects before getting hired to do it. This would be the only tangible way to determine what percentage of those paid programmers came out of the open source community.
    //edit I just realised it's an article from a MS related source and that explains a lot i guess
    Quote Originally Posted by saaya View Post
    interesting... but what exactly did those devs add to the kernel? seriously important functionality to improve linux overall, or did they add features and support for hardware and software of the companies they get paid by?
    Depends really, but a lot of the important work is done by employees of the aforementioned companies.
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    the linux organization seems to be doing a good job at managing the kernel and the development...
    its a shame that they still lag behind technology wise, and didnt make good use of the netbook revolution which had a huge potential at getting the masses hooked on linux, but they are definitely improving... while microsoft seems to have lost its direction
    Lol? You are joking right?
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    Quote Originally Posted by trinibwoy View Post
    I'm confused as to why this is news of any sort. Does open source imply that its contributors are unemployed hobos? Of course most high quality open source code will be contributed by professionals.
    Actually yes, it does to many in the open-source community... they don't consider software free just because it doesn't require you to pay: they consider it free only if it has no corporate ties, no payment, and allows you to do what you want with it + modify it at will. See sites like blendernation for examples of this in comment threads aplenty.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BrowncoatGR View Post

    Lol? You are joking right?
    Nah, he's serious, and correct but for the claim that MS has "lost its way".

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    Coding is free
    Documentation is meant to be paid

    Don't forget that the Linux kernel is a documentation masterpiece.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GoldenTiger View Post
    Actually yes, it does to many in the open-source community... they don't consider software free just because it doesn't require you to pay: they consider it free only if it has no corporate ties, no payment, and allows you to do what you want with it + modify it at will. See sites like blendernation for examples of this in comment threads aplenty.
    You're mixing up a few concepts there. There is a lot of open source software that is free and allows you to modify it. That doesn't mean that the contributors to the main branch aren't paid professionals. Not sure what you mean by "corporate ties" but the vast majority of programmers actually work for a living and aren't contributing to open source projects from their mother's basement.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GoldenTiger View Post
    Nah, he's serious, and correct but for the claim that MS has "lost its way".
    Why does this not surprise me coming from the same guy claiming IE to be the best browser. Oh well, I should probably not feed the trolls.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BrowncoatGR View Post
    What's the point of this article? Of course any talented kernel developer will get hired to do just that. I think a more important statistic would be how many of those paid developers contributed to the kernel or other open source projects before getting hired to do it. This would be the only tangible way to determine what percentage of those paid programmers came out of the open source community.
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    Lol? You are joking right?
    3d is still not where it should be, and 3d is the main driving force in the pc industry... not saying its the fault of the linux community and their devs, not at all... still, atm linux lags behind there...

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    Quote Originally Posted by saaya View Post
    .....business is the main driving force in the pc industry...
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    Really though, Linux isn't going to expand to our homes for us to play games and listen to music on until business start adopting linux on a huge scale. It's hard to dethrone MS when everyone already knows the ins-and-outs of their software.
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    that is incorrect. 99.999.% of all Linux code developers are paid. Only 75% are explicitly paid to program for Linux.
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    Quote Originally Posted by trinibwoy View Post
    You're mixing up a few concepts there. There is a lot of open source software that is free and allows you to modify it. That doesn't mean that the contributors to the main branch aren't paid professionals. Not sure what you mean by "corporate ties" but the vast majority of programmers actually work for a living and aren't contributing to open source projects from their mother's basement.
    I'm well aware of this, but I am merely quoting what I have seen people spout (nonsensically, of course) on various Linux forums/open-source project boards. My favorite such thread on this is when Unity3D released a no-cost license and they all whined that it wasn't open source and therefore was not free: http://www.blendernation.com/unity-g...ense/#comments

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    Why does this not surprise me coming from the same guy claiming IE to be the best browser. Oh well, I should probably not feed the trolls.
    Yes, because I like a different browser than you do and don't buy into the whole "Open source browser! YEAHHHHHH!!!!" schtick, I'm a troll . If other browsers were truly better, people would go and get them since it costs them no outlay to do so: argue all you want "But they don't know about them!" or "It's too hard for them to install!", yet they install other freeware constantly just fine . Just as Linux isn't "superior" to Windows for the average gamer or desktop user, FireFox/Chrome aren't compared to IE.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GoldenTiger View Post
    Yes, because I like a different browser than you do and don't buy into the whole "Open source browser! YEAHHHHHH!!!!" schtick, I'm a troll . If other browsers were truly better, people would go and get them since it costs them no outlay to do so: argue all you want "But they don't know about them!" or "It's too hard for them to install!", yet they install other freeware constantly just fine . Just as Linux isn't "superior" to Windows for the average gamer or desktop user, FireFox/Chrome aren't compared to IE.
    Ummm... what? Do you want to compare the specs of each browser because I am more than happy to do that. IE loses by a landslide in every category, even against Safari. I can't tell you the countless hours I have spent making websites work in IE. In fact, I know a few designers and developers who charge clients an IE tax. It is by far the worst browser. Your argument of comparing it to Linux vs. Windows is completely flawed. Someone would choose Windows because, as you state, they want to run non-Linux compatible programs (games). The same can not be said about browsers as all websites should work in all (or most) browsers. Show me one site that is IE only (that anyone would actually use), and I will show you a shoddy developer and another site that doesn't work in IE.

    Please, tell me a single feature IE has that makes it better than the other browsers I am curious.

    EDIT: As far as your argument that people would use it if it was truly better, they do. FF has the biggest market share of any browser by quite a bit. I would also like to meet the people who know about other browsers, doesn't use one, and uses freeware. I have yet to meet a single person that meets those requirements. In fact, I have shown opera and FF to my parents and they both agree it is better than IE and neither of them knows anything about freeware. This is anecdotal evidence at best but so is yours.
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    I wouldn't be surprised if some HR people hear of this and stop their IT depts from releasing any code because of "Trade Secrets."

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    Quote Originally Posted by HotGore View Post
    I wouldn't be surprised if some HR people hear of this and stop their IT depts from releasing any code because of "Trade Secrets."
    Impossible. Licensing prevents one from making modifications without releasing a copy of the source. Even if it is only upon request, it's a legally binding agreement.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rock&Roll View Post
    Fixed

    Really though, Linux isn't going to expand to our homes for us to play games and listen to music on until business start adopting linux on a huge scale. It's hard to dethrone MS when everyone already knows the ins-and-outs of their software.
    Music? There are great music players for linux - Amarok to start with.
    The only problem with Linux so far is games. It's not a bad platform but all major titles are released for Windows only. Even that's not an obstacle for the community. There are many popular titles which run fine through emulation.

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    i knew about this before, as quite a while ago MS gave the developers of linux a large sum of money

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    Quote Originally Posted by GoldenTiger View Post
    If other browsers were truly better, people would go and get them since it costs them no outlay to do so: argue all you want "But they don't know about them!" or "It's too hard for them to install!", yet they install other freeware constantly just fine . Just as Linux isn't "superior" to Windows for the average gamer or desktop user, FireFox/Chrome aren't compared to IE.
    I think the main reason why IE is still hanging around pretty much everywhere is because its integration with Windows makes it fairly easy for company IT departments to push out updates. This keeps companies using IE, and people just go with it at home because it's already installed with Windows and they are somewhat familiar with it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by faster3200 View Post
    Ummm... what? Do you want to compare the specs of each browser because I am more than happy to do that. IE loses by a landslide in every category,

    Show me one site that is IE only (that anyone would actually use), and I will show you a shoddy developer and another site that doesn't work in IE.


    EDIT: As far as your argument that people would use it if it was truly better, they do. FF has the biggest market share of any browser by quite a bit.

    I would also like to meet the people who know about other browsers, doesn't use one, and uses freeware. I have yet to meet a single person that meets those requirements.

    Spec-wise and security-wise IE8 has won nicely in independent studies... the only things it doesn't really support still aren't used on anything yet in any case.

    Sites that are IE-only are very common in the corporate world and on college sites for student logins. Since virtually everyone uses IE, they don't try to warp their programs around to fit alternative niche browsers.

    Firefox has I think a 15-16% market share, if I remember the last statistics I saw. Internet Explorer was 65%+. Explain how that makes it the dominant browser in market share by "quite a bit"?

    I know a lot of people who know about Firefox and/or Chrome, but do not want to use them as they feel it's either insecure or not worth the hassle of installing and/or porting their preferences to since Internet Explorer does what they need. This ranges from relatives such as an aunt who installs lots of software and customizes her Windows Mobile phone (an HTC Touch Pro) quite a bit, to friends who simply don't see the value in using other browsers and view them like most consumers view Linux.

    Quote Originally Posted by Aerwidh View Post
    I think the main reason why IE is still hanging around pretty much everywhere is because its integration with Windows makes it fairly easy for company IT departments to push out updates. This keeps companies using IE, and people just go with it at home because it's already installed with Windows and they are somewhat familiar with it.
    You can make the same argument for Windows itself . I'm sure this has an effect but not a large one as far as overall reasons why not to switch to an alternative browser.
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    Quote Originally Posted by saaya View Post
    interesting... but what exactly did those devs add to the kernel? seriously important functionality to improve linux overall, or did they add features and support for hardware and software of the companies they get paid by?

    id see this as great news actually... how lame would it be if, with all the corporate usage of linux these days, the companies benefitting from linux wouldnt contribute to the development of the kernel at all or only make up a small part of it? even if 100% would be paid devs, so what? its a huge team of devs from around the globe, all over the industry, supporting an open source project. its not like them getting paid for it makes linux and their work a less noble cause...

    it seems some people think that if they get paid then theres no difference between linux and MS and MacOS... well there is... its still open source vs closed source...
    if they code for linux they dont just code for the company that pays their salary, they code for all of us. thats a huge difference imo...
    its actually really great to see that they get paid for their hard work towards a very noble cause
    the linux organization seems to be doing a good job at managing the kernel and the development...
    its a shame that they still lag behind technology wise, and didnt make good use of the netbook revolution which had a huge potential at getting the masses hooked on linux, but they are definitely improving... while microsoft seems to have lost its direction
    Mostly, the improve hardware management/support and let's take a build as example:

    What's new in Linux Kernel 2.6.28:

    · This version adds support for the Ext4 filesystem, Ultra Wide Band (Wireless USB, UWB-IP), memory performance improvements, a boot tracer, disk shock protection, the phonet network protocol, support for SSD discard requests, transparent proxy support, several new network drivers, controllable IO CPU affinity, high-resolution poll()/select(), support of a minimal "dummy" policy in SELinux, tracing improvements, x86 x2APIC support, a fb driver for VIA UniChrome devices, Mitac Mio A701 ARM-based smartphone support, some new drivers, and many small improvements and fixes.
    But that's just a kernel, in that state is useless for the majority, even those that feel like creating an OS based on that kernel and have the necessary knowledge to do it, use other distros as a starting point. The few that use the kernel and try to manage the rest, end up with a basic OS and very rarely have the will to go on...

    Let's tale Debian for example, most stable Linux OS - but the stable version is updated only once in 2 years and many change in that time, but even so it still has a lot downs... Then we have Ubuntu, which is based on Debian, releases an update once every 6 months, most up-to-date Linux OS, but of course that hurts stability even more. They tend to neglect the old/current problems and concentrate on the new features, yet Ubuntu (some would say kubuntu - which is based on KDE) is the closest alternative for windows.

    They're nice for testing from time to time, but the more you use them the more you feel like going back to Windows. I remember the old day, when a slow PC with MPlayer was running smother then a decent PC with windows and any player, but that changed considerably. Debian is mostly open source/free software oriented but hardware got cheaper, most of us have a decent video-card (even if not for latest games) and the support from ATi/nVidia with their so called proprietary drivers is kinda limited. And sadly, cause of that Linux can still be compared to a small firm, if you put it vs. a giant like Microsoft.

    Many distributions, many nice looking guides which look nice from outside (especially the extras like Compiz) but when you tried them all like I did, doesn't feel as good as described. They boot faster - yes, but beyond that as a desktops they're kinda limited to office use... yet as servers, at that part they still shine. Instead of selling an ancient PC with 50$, yet got it for 2000$ I rather use it as a server or maybe a music station.

    PS.You could say that Mac OS X is actually a Linux with the needed support. And yes, I know I'm not far with this conclusion since in reality it's a UNIX like OS.
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    Quote Originally Posted by XSAlliN View Post
    Then we have Ubuntu, which is based on Debian, releases an update once every 6 months, most up-to-date Linux OS, but of course that hurts stability even more. They tend to neglect the old/current problems and concentrate on the new features, yet Ubuntu (some would say kubuntu - which is based on KDE) is the closest alternative for windows.
    That sounds exactly like Windows, except that Windows manages that with a much longer release cycle

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    Quote Originally Posted by GoldenTiger View Post
    Spec-wise and security-wise IE8 has won nicely in independent studies... the only things it doesn't really support still aren't used on anything yet in any case.

    Sites that are IE-only are very common in the corporate world and on college sites for student logins. Since virtually everyone uses IE, they don't try to warp their programs around to fit alternative niche browsers.

    Firefox has I think a 15-16% market share, if I remember the last statistics I saw. Internet Explorer was 65%+. Explain how that makes it the dominant browser in market share by "quite a bit"?

    I know a lot of people who know about Firefox and/or Chrome, but do not want to use them as they feel it's either insecure or not worth the hassle of installing and/or porting their preferences to since Internet Explorer does what they need. This ranges from relatives such as an aunt who installs lots of software and customizes her Windows Mobile phone (an HTC Touch Pro) quite a bit, to friends who simply don't see the value in using other browsers and view them like most consumers view Linux.
    No, it most certainly hasn't. Point me to a recent independent study that says that IE is more secure. Have you thought at all about activex? IE 8 is far better than the previous version in this regard, but I have read enough articles to know IE isn't secure. I will try to find some of them for you.

    As far as support, ha ha ha. I can tell you aren't a web developer . no version of IE even supports xhtml, please tell me how that isn't a current technology. Also, did you ever think the reason why the technologies aren't widely used is because of IE? There are already plenty of sites that use HTML5 and CSS3 that degrades for IE. I would also like to point out that IE doesn't support XML streaming while every other browser does.

    Even with the technologies it does support IE is slower. Look at Acid3 tests, look at browser benchmarks. It lags behind in everything.

    I have worked on enough webapps to know the real reason for IE only sites is because corporations use what comes with the OS for the simple reason of deploy-ability. If a site is IE only it is because they used a lot of voodoo code that makes it only work with IE and they don't really care to develop it without the hacks because they know the browser being used. There is actually a recent app I am working on for a rather large company that the company is changing all the comps to use FF because it has a significantly faster js engine. My college uses primarily Macs while another college near by is primarily Fedora. Both of these colleges use sites that work in FF only for the same reason the sites you mentioned (not that you actually mentioned something specific) work in IE.

    As for the market share thing, different sources say different things. According to W3Counter, which is one of the less favorable to my point, IE8 has a market share of 22.43% while FF 3.5 has 22.18% which is very close. There are other counters that put FF ahead by quite a bit as I mentioned before.

    As you mentioned yourself... none of the people even tried them. If they are getting their opinion from misinformation that doesn't really count. My family was resistant at first but I sat down with them and showed them how they are different and now my mom can't live without Gmail Notifier.

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