57xx and 58xx locking problems with stripes

[jcool]

Ok, to add to the weirdness:

I am running milkyway@home on my HD5870 (DC project, very stressful on the GPU). My w3520 is a very good one, only needs like 1,22V to be prime95 and linX stable at 4,2Ghz.
However, I was getting those stripe-lockup-screens whenever milkyway was running along with WCG (CPU DC app)
So I tried changing GPU clocks, different drivers etc but to no avail, same problem.
Then I increased CPU Vcore (don't ask me why lol) and voila, problem gone, I can now run MW and WCG 24/7 without problems. Weird thing is that I needed a rather huge increase, like 0,04V or so to make those stripe screns go away.

Again, without running MW@home I can run ANYTHING with 1,22V Vcore, prime, LinX, any game.
What can be derived from this is that maybe the 58xx cards are hypersensitive to CPU clocks, and will fail even though your overclock is technically stable. So try raising your Vcore I guess...

[Zeus]

Seems like your system needs to be 110% stable for these 5 series cards. I can run Prime blend no problem but HCI memtest will give an error once per 150% or so. Appearently this is enough to make the system crash with the dreaded grey lined screen!

Raising Vdimm 1 notch did the trick. No more g(r)ay screens now for 3 days, normally i got one or two every day.

[Particle]

The guy's gsod explanation is faulty. Nearly every time I get it, it has NOTHING to do with a bsod. The system keeps running in the background, I just have no video. I can keep using TeamSpeak and anything else that doesn't require video. That doesn't sound like a locked up computer to me. That sounds like the GPU crapping its pants.

[janolle]

The guy's gsod explanation is faulty. Nearly every time I get it, it has NOTHING to do with a bsod. The system keeps running in the background, I just have no video. I can keep using TeamSpeak and anything else that doesn't require video. That doesn't sound like a locked up computer to me. That sounds like the GPU crapping its pants.

Those problems don't outrule eachother. The grey screens can surely be caused by the graphics card but everyone who gets them should do a thourough system stability check to outrule cpu/mb/ram instability as a cause of problem. Even the slightest memory or cpu error can cause it.
By thorough testing I mean linpack and memtest86 stuff...

[snoro]

and i also said that it could be possible that its the memory on your gpu that is crapping. I mostly said make sure your system is completly stable to rule out stability problem and then it could be your gpu ram that cause the problem.

[Lokinhow]

The guy's gsod explanation is faulty. Nearly every time I get it, it has NOTHING to do with a bsod. The system keeps running in the background, I just have no video. I can keep using TeamSpeak and anything else that doesn't require video. That doesn't sound like a locked up computer to me. That sounds like the GPU crapping its pants.

No, it's not faulty, it MAY be replacing a BSOD, that's the case with alot of people

Your problem problably is really a defective VGA, you should RMA it

edit:

problem fixed here
put everything at stock speeds...GSOD!
stock speeds and +25mv on CPU vcore...no problems.

yeah, this video cards want a 110% stable system, but....why? any theory?

[snoro]

Well i thign i do to make sure my overclock are stable is i make it run furmark for about 10min, if i see temperature lower than 70c and no crash at all, i can play with those clock and never have a single problem. Can you try that lokinhow, put everything at stock and run furmakr and see if you are stable, you might have a bad card.

[Mungri]

Not sure if its the same thing, but I started getting the 2D crash with blue squares again within 5 minutes of loading up windows. I just swapped my cards around and it went away.

No more 2D crashes since swapping them around, this worked before as well, but I must have forgotten and swapped them to the faulty order while tinkering at some point.

What do people think could be causing this then? I didnt reinstall the drivers after swapping them, and doing so wouldnt work in the dodgy order.
Both cards have no problems in 3D and are fully stable at 1000 / 1445. But when installed in one order, they get 2D blue square lockups, when installed in the other order they have no problem.

They are wierd indeed.

[ottoyu34]

Just wanna report in there for the first time.

I have a Asus 5870 as in the sig. I have not experienced a single issue since I bought the card
during Christmas holidays. Not in desktops , games, or bootup.

But I have gotten grey screens(instead of BSOD) for bad overclock settings for my i7 920. making the overclocking
process harder. But as some has mentioned, increasing the voltages of my vcore help and it went away.

4.0Ghz OC was no problem. Now my 920 is at 4.3Ghz, I will report back when I can do some test in games and regular usage.

( On the other hand, My buddy has a Sapphire 5970 OC and it only has the grey screen when running prime95. but not others. )

Good luck to everyone and I hope ATI officially comes out with a solution to this, else this going to hurt their image and sale either way.

I will update here soon.

[Lokinhow]

Well i thign i do to make sure my overclock are stable is i make it run furmark for about 10min, if i see temperature lower than 70c and no crash at all, i can play with those clock and never have a single problem. Can you try that lokinhow, put everything at stock and run furmakr and see if you are stable, you might have a bad card.

with everything at stock, speeds and volts I get de GSOD some seconds after windows startup

then I reboot, everything stays ok, even furmark runs fine (1440x900, 8x MSAA, Xtreme burning Mode), I tried it for 15 minutes, work perfectly, no erros but if I reboot the system....GSOD!
well, I think if the card is damaged it wouldn't be capable running furmark for 15 minutes, what do you think?

but stock speeds and adding more vcore to CPU everything runs ok, no GSOD after reboots.

that's really strange man, everything at stock speeds should have no reason for overvolt, and yeah, without overvolt I can run Prime95 or any games for hours, hours and hours but if I reboot..!!GSOD!!
using different video cards make everything run ok, no BSOD after reboots (9600GT, 8500GT, sry I don't have other cards to test)

That's bad because it's limiting my CPU overclocking very hard, now I have to use much higher voltages
The only explanation that makes sense to me is that those HD5000 wants a EXTREMELY stable system

[Zeus]

Not sure if its the same thing, but I started getting the 2D crash with blue squares again within 5 minutes of loading up windows. I just swapped my cards around and it went away.

No more 2D crashes since swapping them around, this worked before as well, but I must have forgotten and swapped them to the faulty order while tinkering at some point.

What do people think could be causing this then? I didnt reinstall the drivers after swapping them, and doing so wouldnt work in the dodgy order.
Both cards have no problems in 3D and are fully stable at 1000 / 1445. But when installed in one order, they get 2D blue square lockups, when installed in the other order they have no problem.

They are wierd indeed.

Blue squares are most likely instable graphiccard ram.

IMO grey screens can be cause by more then just one thing.

Here's a number of things that can be causing it plus a fix:

-ATI sounddriver. solution: uninstall it
-ATI videodriver. solution: Install 9.12+ hotfix
-ULPS. solution: set enableULPS to "0" in register
-Instable ram: solution test with HCI memtest and stabilize ram
-Instable CPU. solution: run Linpack, OCCT, Prime, etc and stabilize CPU
-coolbug (for 5970). solution: run furmark immidiately after boot up.

I'm sure there are more things causing it.

I think it's wiser to report what was causing it for your system and what was the solution instead of searching for one common factor to help other people out.

[Muraretu]

I am the 2nd Sapphire HD5850. The first I sent it to RMA. 2nd manifest the same, increasing the mouse cursor and gray screen with vertical stripes. The only thing that I solve the problem is with AMD GPU Clock Tool. If I set 725/1000 or even more everything is ok and is no longer freezes and other things......

[Zeus]

AMD GPU Clock Tool disables powerplay, the powersafing feature of these ATI cards. Setting EnableULPS (UltraLowPowerState) to 0 in register does the same thing.

[Muraretu]

Yes, in Idle video card consumes 27W (157gpu/300memory), @ 725/1000 go to 170W . So that eventually the power supplie can not support such an increase of power consumption. Is 143W, other problems I don't see: powerplay and power supply.

[Zeus]

No, it's just the driver that's messing up or the cards can't take the sudden increase in speed. Users with very powerfull PSU's have the same problem. Just set EnableULPS to 0 and your problem will besolved.

[Darxide]

No, it's just the driver that's messing up or the cards can't take the sudden increase in speed. Users with very powerfull PSU's have the same problem. Just set EnableULPS to 0 and your problem will besolved.

I just changed EnableUlps to (0) and the card is still downclocked to 157/300.

I rebooted and rechecked the reg, value is still (0) but still the card downclocks. What gives?

[Zeus]

If i look in GPU-Z sensors tab i see 157/300 but the Graphic card tab shows 850/1200 all the time. CCC shows 850/1300 on both my cards as well. I have set 0 too and have had no more GSOD's since. Maybe it's OS dependant?

In XP i was unable to find ULPS in register, lol.

[Darxide]

MSI have released a beta of Catalyst 10.1

http://downloads.guru3d.com/ATI-Cata...load-2455.html

I have just installed it, and I'll report back. Fingers crossed......

[Zeus]

Thanks. I was expecting something any time soon. Off to d/l.

[Lokinhow]

MSI have released a beta of Catalyst 10.1

http://downloads.guru3d.com/ATI-Cata...load-2455.html

I have just installed it, and I'll report back. Fingers crossed......

fingers crossed here

[Jeff Flowerday]

Try these instead of the MSI ones, they are newer and RC2 of Catalyst 10.2

http://forums.guru3d.com/showthread.php?t=313969

[Muraretu]

My Phenom II 905e 2.5GHz default@3.7GHz With 1.475V is stable 13 hours prime95. Today I tested the video card Hd5850 oc to 850/1200 (with AMD GPU Clock Tool) @ 1.087V. Everything is perfect.
If not using AMD GPU Clock Tool can not see videos on youtube with full screen. I get black screen and the mouse barely moves, in the end have to give restart.

[Darxide]

Anyone else tried the 10.1 beta yet?

I don't get as many driver crash/recoveries but the stripes issue is just as bad as ever.
I'm giving up and admiting defeat. RMA time.

[tripgood]

Anyone else tried the 10.1 beta yet?

I don't get as many driver crash/recoveries but the stripes issue is just as bad as ever.
I'm giving up and admiting defeat. RMA time.

I tried both versions of the msi drivers. No stripes but hard locks at random timings. 5870's in crossfire was impossible. Single card worked in warhead for 10 minutes to two hours but ended up the same. Very disappointed in ati driver support.

[Lokinhow]

I tried both versions of the msi drivers. No stripes but hard locks at random timings. 5870's in crossfire was impossible. Single card worked in warhead for 10 minutes to two hours but ended up the same. Very disappointed in ati driver support.

if it fails in 3D with no overclocking, it may be a hardware problem, not driver, I would RMA this.