The GT300/Fermi Thread

[NapalmV5]

AND 5970 will beat it, it's a beast of acard.

come feb/mar youll be surprised as so many here

[zalbard]

come feb/mar youll be surprised as so many here

My wallet is protesting against that kind of statements!

[ajaidev]

come feb/mar youll be surprised as so many here

come on spill it pretty please

Maybe what i heard of those slides being true is true....

Those slides can be true i heard they were shown to the AIB partners, etc... who knows....

Good read.
I feel like watching all the conspiracy theory movies and a few X-files episodes with some of you here

What if nVIDIA used a Radeon HD 5870 and can't produce a working Fermi.
What if the world as we know it ends tomorrow.
What if...

Good lord...

What if BenchZowner was a bit more fun and entertaining speculation is F--U---NN

[NapalmV5]

^ lol

My wallet is protesting against that kind of statements!

lol well my guesstimate is 400-500$

though still keep expectations low/leave room for surprise

come on spill it pretty please

Maybe what i heard of those slides being true is true....

Those slides can be true i heard they were shown to the AIB partners, etc... who knows....

spill what.. my glass is empty


all the fermi vids/all the talk about those vids.. thats "old" fermi

if nvidia all wanted to do is beat 5870 thats easy.. peanuts! fermi out in retail already

- theres room for clocks: thats whats taking longer
- theres room for drivers: a lot of room for improvements
- theres room for oc: just as 5870/5970 can oc ~20%~ so does fermi
- theres room for other stuff too

some of you have forgotten.. some of you dont know.. some all know about nvidia is renaming.. about who the hell nvidia is.. they dont like to lose!

[Florinmocanu]

If what you say is true, than that is a really good thing, i love competition and i actually want fermi to be up there with 5970, because i work as a 3d artist and for gpu rendering purposes i need a Fermi as my new upgrade.

So, let's all hold hands and sing praises so that Jen and his magic green goblin team can release a great product.

[Olivon]

Right guyz, WE need graphics competition and, above all, we need kick*ss games and hope DX11 could bring a real difference vs consoles.

[JohnZS]

I agree
As soon as a >1GB VRAM card which pushes more pixels than a GTX 285 is released I am going to buy one.
I am currently livid with BFG see here as to why. It's no surprise BFG have pulled out of Europe
I just hope eVGA or some other decent brand produces high quality Fermi cards.
John

[Sam_oslo]

Yes we need competition !

The best scenario could be something like this:
nVidia releases a single chip GTX 380 which barely matches the performance of HD5970. That's all nVidia needs to do to ask a high price.
ATi releases a refresh (if not a new HD5980?) right after, and the gets just ahead.

In this scenario we would be able to get a great GTX 380 for a good price, otherwise I'm afraid a superior nVidia single GPU (aka a repeat of 8800GTX) won't com cheep.

[Biker]

As soon as a >1GB VRAM card which pushes more pixels than a GTX 285 is released I am going to buy one.

+1!

Been waiting for a decent single core 2GB GPU for what seems like forever

No 5870's with 2GB ?

Well, that will be one less sale to me then

Some of us actually need a 2gb framebuffer, mmmm'k?

Are you listening team green, team red?

Hello?

[ulticool]

come feb/mar youll be surprised as so many here

I'm not sure what will surprise me more.. the performance numbers for one binned hand picked fermi or the fact none will be in stock, literally, ever.

Nvidia couldn't even keep 295 reference boards shipping to vendors.

[eric66]

I'm not sure what will surprise me more.. the performance numbers for one binned hand picked fermi or the fact none will be in stock, literally, ever.

Nvidia couldn't even keep 295 reference boards shipping to vendors.

one thing i know a3 revision must be some miracle to make those claims true

[NapalmV5]

one thing i know a3 revision must be some miracle to make those claims true

i knew id bring the positive out of you

fermi vs 5970
512 vs 3200
384bit vs 2x256bit

512 fermi shaders beat 3200 radeon shaders.. just as the actual 384bit mem bandwidth beat 2x256bit actual mem bandwidth and thats even if they stick to 4.2gbps

so much for radeon shaders hyped as "more efficient"

Let's play what if since you guys are so fond of these mind games

@Sam oslo...
and what if nVIDIA releases a dual GF100 in April ?

mind games.. oh that 400GB/s (5gbps) fermi ??

[zerazax]

i knew id bring the positive out of you

fermi vs 5970
512 vs 3200
384bit vs 2x256bit

512 fermi shaders beat 3200 radeon shaders.. just as the actual 384bit mem bandwidth beat 2x256bit actual mem bandwidth and thats even if they stick to 4.2gbps

so much for radeon shaders hyped as "more efficient"

You do realize that the "3200" shaders are just how ATI counts it (marketing speak) right? You've got to divide that by 5 to get the equivalent count for Nvidia... so 640 to 512, and that's not counting the fact that Nvidia has a hot clock meaning the shaders on the Nvidia part are overall more, equivalently

As for your bandwidth talk, that's hilarious seeing as how you once were championing 512-bit as a necessity, when 256-bit + GDDR5 did just fine when it came to the RV770 vs. GTX285

Slow down on the kool-aid thar

lol well my guesstimate is 400-500$

though still keep expectations low/leave room for surprise



spill what.. my glass is empty

I don't see Fermi selling for 400-500$ at all unless it's performance really is under the 5970's by a decent margin. No way has Nvidia EVER sold a top end card without a premium. See: GTX 280 vs. 260 prices at launch.

And I'm pretty sure people have gotten in trouble for claiming to know stuff on this forum without substantiating it

[NapalmV5]

You have to realize that both architectures are very different, you can't compare ATI's shaders to Nvidia's Cuda Cores on a one-by-one basis.
It's similar to the old Athlon VS Pentium 4 debate.
It's not about quantity of working units, but how they work, and ultimately how good performance is.

And BTW, you are supposing that fermi will have the upper hand on said comparison, but most people don't share that thought.
Think about this: Why did Nvidia compare GF100 vs the 5870? (instead of the 5970). That should give you an idea.



Considering what Nvidia said about XFX, I wouldn't expect them to be on the first batch of fermi cards.

hmmm and i thought you had some inside info seems you just based your claims on your flawed logic. shader comparison is funny though if you divide atis shaders to 5 that means atis 160 lower clocked shaders matched highly clocked 240 shaders and unless fermis shaders are some sort of miracle its really hard to believe that only 512 shaders can match 3200. Fermi has few undeniable advantages though higher 'memory and bandwith' and being single gpu are important ones

You do realize that the "3200" shaders are just how ATI counts it (marketing speak) right? You've got to divide that by 5 to get the equivalent count for Nvidia... so 640 to 512, and that's not counting the fact that Nvidia has a hot clock meaning the shaders on the Nvidia part are overall more, equivalently

As for your bandwidth talk, that's hilarious seeing as how you once were championing 512-bit as a necessity, when 256-bit + GDDR5 did just fine when it came to the RV770 vs. GTX285

Slow down on the kool-aid thar



I don't see Fermi selling for 400-500$ at all unless it's performance really is under the 5970's by a decent margin. No way has Nvidia EVER sold a top end card without a premium. See: GTX 280 vs. 260 prices at launch.

And I'm pretty sure people have gotten in trouble for claiming to know stuff on this forum without substantiating it

maybe you guys need to "Slow down on the kool-aid thar" may i suggest some guinness to balance you guys out a bit ??

let me put it this way.. transistor per transistor nvidia has higher efficiency/performance than ati whether you agree or not like it or not.. you guys can turn blue it aint gonna change

oh btw top 512 fermi could go up against a single 3200sp radeon.. thats why it cuts thru 5970 like knife thru butter

[FischOderAal]

oh btw top 512 fermi could go up against a single 3200sp radeon.. thats why it cuts thru 5970 like knife thru butter

You either like to play with fire or you're 100 percent sure about that, like in "I hold it in my hands" sure.

There've been others who were very sure about their claims (can't blame them if they just said what sources told them) like the whole "Fermi will be released in november/december" thingy.

[zerazax]

Neliz also called out 64 TMU's in this own thread when everyone automatically assumed 128

maybe you guys need to "Slow down on the kool-aid thar" may i suggest some guinness to balance you guys out a bit ??

let me put it this way.. transistor per transistor nvidia has higher efficiency/performance than ati whether you agree or not like it or not.. you guys can turn blue it aint gonna change

oh btw top 512 fermi could go up against a single 3200sp radeon.. thats why it cuts thru 5970 like knife thru butter

For someone who admitted that they have no actual clue about the real performance in this thread, this post is gold

[Chumbucket843]

You do realize that the "3200" shaders are just how ATI counts it (marketing speak) right? You've got to divide that by 5 to get the equivalent count for Nvidia... so 640 to 512, and that's not counting the fact that Nvidia has a hot clock meaning the shaders on the Nvidia part are overall more, equivalently

you dont divide anything by 5. they count their alu's the same way as nvidia does. games today barely need this much shading relative to other parts of graphics.

[eric66]

i knew id bring the positive out of you

fermi vs 5970
512 vs 3200
384bit vs 2x256bit

512 fermi shaders beat 3200 radeon shaders.. just as the actual 384bit mem bandwidth beat 2x256bit actual mem bandwidth and thats even if they stick to 4.2gbps

so much for radeon shaders hyped as "more efficient"



mind games.. oh that 400GB/s (5gbps) fermi ??

hmmm and i thought you had some inside info seems you just based your claims on your flawed logic. shader comparison is funny though if you divide atis shaders to 5 that means atis 160 lower clocked shaders matched highly clocked 240 shaders and unless fermis shaders are some sort of miracle its really hard to believe that only 512 shaders can match 3200. Fermi has few undeniable advantages though higher 'memory and bandwith' and being single gpu are important ones

[LordEC911]

one thing i know a3 revision must be some miracle to make those claims true

*cough*B1*cough*

[h0bbes]

*cough*B1*cough*

Apparently