The GT300/Fermi Thread

[zerazax]

The first Stalker game started being developed in 2001 - I saw screenshots showcasing the graphics in 2002 and they didn't really look so much worse than those taken in 2007. Yes, that's right, like 9 years ago. In DirectX 8. Do you really think they re-made the engine from the scratch for CoP? Since it doesn't look that much better than SoC, I believe a whole ton of code they've written has been made in 2001, no wonder it's so sluggish...

Haha, brilliant!

The game's bugginess every release should've been a sure enough sign of bad coding

It's true that Valve and Blizzard games aren't as stunning visually as a lot of games out there, but they're so damn well optimized that they'll run on damn near anything GeForce 6600 or later

[Chumbucket843]

scaling with respect to pixels is really bad in stalker engine (almost linear which is bad). its why multigpu is so good on the games.

[neliz]

It's true that Valve and Blizzard games aren't as stunning visually as a lot of games out there, but they're so damn well optimized that they'll run on damn near anything GeForce 6600 or later

I take your Geforce 6600 and lower it with my Radeon 9600XT!
HL-2 looked awesome. it still looks okay now (though, way to many poly's) but compared to some stuff out there right not it actually still looks great. the facial animation and emotion.. the physics..

[Scaniris]

Hi,

A French online magazine HARDWARE.FR published details about Fermi architecture: http://www.hardware.fr/articles/782-...ometrique.html , on 18th January. You probably already have some more information locally in the USA, but there are maybe some info there that may help.

It's in French but there is a translation there, don't look at the publication date it's wrong, the french version was published on 18th January:

English version http://www.behardware.com/articles/7...evolution.html

8 pages with a deep dive into Fermi. I don't know if this link has already been provided there, if not, enjoy the reading.

Best regards,
Cyril

[neliz]

In these days of internet.. it really doesn't matter where you live, as long as you're online (no it doesn't contain any news, it's like all the other articles + speculation.)

[To(V)bo Co(V)bo]

If you're willing to deal with the horrible reliability issues with 360 and don't care for HD content (blue-ray movies etc.), go for it

I know people who are on their 3rd xbox 360. Why they keep buying them?
RROD is caused by over usage, it isnt the hardwares fault.

[GoldenTiger]

I know people who are on their 3rd xbox 360. Why they keep buying them?
RROD is caused by over usage, it isnt the hardwares fault.

They get them replaced under warranty . It isn't over usage, it's faulty hardware.

[zalbard]

RROD is caused by over usage, it isnt the hardwares fault.

Xbox360 isn't meant to work for a year only. This is ridiculous. And this is definitely an engineering mistake.

[eric66]

from fermi to xbox 360 this thread is incredible. so much info inside that one can go crazy just by looking at tags :P

[Luka_Aveiro]

first paper made card is also hilarious, because of card=several layers of paper

[h0bbes]

They get them replaced under warranty . It isn't over usage, it's faulty hardware.

One last thing concerning the xbox. It has a three year warranty for the RROD and after we sent my brother's one for repair (free of charge of course), they decided to send us a new one back after 10 days. I was expecting a much worse service from MS

P.S: I think it has to do with inadequate cooling

[neliz]

P.S: I think it has to do with inadequate cooling

It has the same bump issues as G80 (And some above and below it.) M$ bought ATI's design, tried to skimp on proper non-lead bumps and there you have your problem.

[Blacky]

I know people who are on their 3rd xbox 360. Why they keep buying them?
RROD is caused by over usage, it isnt the hardwares fault.

not necessarily, I work at gamestop and i've seen people get ring of death within a month, even if they "over usage" PS3 doesn't have those problems whatsoever...anyways on topic, so if the dual-gpu comes out, probably would have x2 8-pins?? since is going to exceed the 300w mark?

[H2O]

not necessarily, I work at gamestop and i've seen people get ring of death within a month, even if they "over usage" PS3 doesn't have those problems whatsoever...anyways on topic, so if the dual-gpu comes out, probably would have x2 8-pins?? since is going to exceed the 300w mark?

I'd love to see someone do a dual GF100 card with 2x 6 pins and 1x 8 pin, much like EVGA did with the GTX285 Classified. If you could sufficiently cool it, that would be a monster.

[DeathReborn]

I'd love to see someone do a dual GF100 card with 2x 6 pins and 1x 8 pin, much like EVGA did with the GTX285 Classified. If you could sufficiently cool it, that would be a monster.

2x 6 pin & 2x 8 pin would give enough room for a decent overclock. A 500W+ gfx card would actually be quite nice to shove in the face of those pesky greens.

[s1nykuL]

Fermi benched in Farcry 2

Quote:
"The Fermi and GTX 285 numbers were provided by NVIDIA, in NVIDIA-controlled conditions, at an event in Las Vegas*

So make of it what you will.

http://www.hexus.net/content/item.php?item=21996

[ajaidev]

Fermi benched in Farcry 2

Quote:
"The Fermi and GTX 285 numbers were provided by NVIDIA, in NVIDIA-controlled conditions, at an event in Las Vegas*

So make of it what you will.

http://www.hexus.net/content/item.php?item=21996

Thanks for the link

The GF100 is sandwiched between the 5870 and the 5970 "Avg frames"

The interesting part is the Max rate GF100 has lowest max frame rate out of the whole bunch. I get that the 5970 is limited due to CF but why is it so with GF100?

Anyway they should really test a 5870 @ 1ghz and maybe a 5870 Eyefinity6 also to complete the test, i reckon the 5870 @ 1ghz can score near to the 70FPS mark "BTW the tested 5870 was at 875MHz"

[eric66]

and ppl say its 8800 gtx vs 3870x2 situation meh 5970 isn't even 5870 cf so fermi needs a lot of improvement to catch 5970

[Manicdan]

Thanks for the link

The GF100 is sandwiched between the 5870 and the 5970 "Avg frames"

The interesting part is the Max rate GF100 has lowest max frame rate out of the whole bunch. I get that the 5970 is limited due to CF but why is it so with GF100?

they did mention the 5870 max framerate was the first frame and can be ignored. when looking at the chart, the 5870 should be 90ish max framerate. so i think its all normal

[ajaidev]

they did mention the 5870 max framerate was the first frame and can be ignored. when looking at the chart, the 5870 should be 90ish max framerate. so i think its all normal

Thats why the best thing to look at is the avg performance where everything looks good.

I mean a 5870 @ 1ghz "MSI lighting & Gigabyte one" can archive around 70 fps and the GF100 can get around 85 fps and the 5970 gets around 100 fps. A full 15fps difference among each other, the gf100 shown must have been one of the most binned and special ones to show up there its highly unlikely that nvidia will show up with a GF100 card that does over a 100 fps IMO.

[Florinmocanu]

That is not the point.

The thing is, the 5970 is in a league of it's own.

Fermi will be single fastest GPU, but it cannot be priced like mad, because it cannot beat the 600$ 5970. So, pricing will be a tricky thing for nvidia.

Though, i am really interested in a 300-350 sps part (can't be bothered to calculate the precise number :P).

[s1nykuL]

They kept the machine screened. No one could see the hardware inside.

"...provided by NVIDIA, in NVIDIA-controlled conditions..."

Could of been a S3 Virge against a Matrox mystique inside a Cray Jaguar for all we know.

Speculation is fine and fun, but what is really needed are some independent benchmarks from a trusted source across a range of titles.

[BenchZowner]

The thing is, the 5970 is in a league of it's own.

Two possibilities:

1) True, 5970 being far away from any other VGA out there
2) False, GTX 380 being pretty close to it

Fermi will be single fastest GPU, but it cannot be priced like mad, because it cannot beat the 600$ 5970. So, pricing will be a tricky thing for nvidia.

600$ 5970 ?
Available at that price ? Where ?

[SKYMTL]

Fermi benched in Farcry 2

Quote:
"The Fermi and GTX 285 numbers were provided by NVIDIA, in NVIDIA-controlled conditions, at an event in Las Vegas*

So make of it what you will.

http://www.hexus.net/content/item.php?item=21996

Nice to see their results reflect ours almost exactly. Thanks for that!

They kept the machine screened. No one could see the hardware inside.

"...provided by NVIDIA, in NVIDIA-controlled conditions..."

Could of been a S3 Virge against a Matrox mystique inside a Cray Jaguar for all we know.

Speculation is fine and fun, but what is really needed are some independent benchmarks from a trusted source across a range of titles.

Not true at all. The side panel of the machine was open allowing the people in attendance to see everything inside; from memory to the GPU to the mobo to the PSU. Finally, NVIDIA offered to open up the dxdiag screen. How do you think their use of a 960 was confirmed?

[Florinmocanu]

it's the MSRP, even if right now all the stores are over-pricing it.

If fermi comes out at 550 $ or 600$, do you really think the stores will sell it at that price? doubt it.

But fermi at 600$ MSRP is uncompetitive.


AND 5970 will beat it, it's a beast of acard.