The GT300/Fermi Thread

[***Deimos***]

Deep Dive meeting has over, and we already know how powerful GF100 is, and IT IS! Performance is better then expected, most peoples here will search in own words and feel to shy for craps in thread. We can only laugh now, because Nvidia did it! Perf in Unigine DX11 benchmark is spectacular, Radeon HD 5870 is there like low-end toy for kids against GF100.

PS. Yeah, GF100 has 512 CC, and GPUs are in massproduction now, plenty of manufacturers have first GF100 inhouse.

nVidia did it!? What... 'cause I dont see anything in stores yet.

Also, I'm sure you love playing Unigine for many hours, but its not the type of game most people play. Performance in benchmarks can be misleading and quite different between a variety of games.

Actually, all he has posted has turned out true so far. (Which is 3DFinity or whatever, the deep dive, the NDA date.) And seeing as how he said the power consumtion for GTX380 was also huge, it's probably in the ~250W or else it wouldn't have been all that much. A 250W card should beat a 188W card.

R600 used more power (and had more bandwidth) than G80. Are you suggesting 8800GTX users were stupid, and that X2900XT was faster?

Likewise, the nVidia fx 5800 Ultra used a lot of power too. Performance was good as long as it was DX8. In contrast, the fx DX9 performance was spectacularly miserable at best. Anybody here remember the poor rendering quality and low performance?

High power usage just means better home heating.

[Andrew LB]

nVidia did it!? What... 'cause I dont see anything in stores yet.

Also, I'm sure you love playing Unigine for many hours, but its not the type of game most people play. Performance in benchmarks can be misleading and quite different between a variety of games.

While synthetic benchmarks do occasionally favor one particular hardware design over another, especially with a little influence from said particular company.... the facts in the situation tend to be quitte stubborn when it comes to Unigine.

First off, ATi (now AMD) has been listed on their website as a development since I first heard about Unigine a few years ago. And after just recently visiting their website, it seems they finally added nVidia... albeit to the very bottom of their "partners" list.

http://unigine.com/company/partners/

Also, I believe everyone here knows that ATi has been way ahead of nVidia on making DirectX 11 hardware, which Unigine used for the majority of the development cycle since we all know nVidia only recently had Fermi samples running well enough to show off in a company controlled demo. Do you honestly think nVidia would have handed out any of these early Fermi cards 6 months ago to a small 3rd party development team?

R600 used more power (and had more bandwidth) than G80. Are you suggesting 8800GTX users were stupid, and that X2900XT was faster?

The R600 was just a crappy design by a graphics company hurting financially and only saved by AMD buying them up.

Likewise, the nVidia fx 5800 Ultra used a lot of power too. Performance was good as long as it was DX8. In contrast, the fx DX9 performance was spectacularly miserable at best. Anybody here remember the poor rendering quality and low performance?

So we are to automatically assume Fermi is going to be another flop like the FX? Are you forgetting that once we got basic architecture specs for FX, everyone at B3D and other well informed sites all agreed was going to suck. Especially since it took about a year and countless "tape outs" just to get a chip stable enough to show the public a demo.

I think people with ample skills at using reason can see that it was only logical for nVidia to delay Fermi because of the huge problem of .40nm production at TSMC, something that plagued ATi for the past 5 months. So instead of releasing a product that had extremely high production costs and very low yields which was almost impossible to purchase.... nVidia decided to not release specs or performance data so they and their 3rd party card manufacturers could sell off warehouses full of product.

I don't think nVidia is losing much sleep at night knowing that being #2 in performance for a few months is not as bad as the huge costs of full scale manufacturing at 40% yields AND having the performance crown while only having a small number of those costly cards available for the public to purchase.

If true, sounds much better then expected. And 512 CCs, that's good too.

I really hope this will be another G80.

After seeing that Unigine and Rocket Sled video on Youtube and the incredible framerates and detail with tessalation running.... I have a feeling you wont be dissapointed.

.... the people who spent the past few months beating their chests over the HD5xxx cards performance will just grab some tissues and sulk for the next year or two until ATi gets the crown again for a short time. I'm sure all the sane ATi and nVidia fans will be glad to have the endless thread crapping, lies by Charlie, and other nonsense just go away for a while. I sure as heck will.

[LordEC911]

Also, I believe everyone here knows that ATi has been way ahead of nVidia on making DirectX 11 hardware, which Unigine used for the majority of the development cycle since we all know nVidia only recently had Fermi samples running well enough to show off in a company controlled demo. Do you honestly think nVidia would have handed out any of these early Fermi cards 6 months ago to a small 3rd party development team?

Maybe not 6 months ago, they didn't have anything 6 months ago...
Now about 2 months ago, they definitely did.

The R600 was just a crappy design by a graphics company hurting financially and only saved by AMD buying them up.

Hmmm... ATi was hurting financially? They were actually doing very good at the time. Pretty sure everyone agrees AMD bought them at the wrong time.

I think people with ample skills at using reason can see that it was only logical for nVidia to delay Fermi because of the huge problem of .40nm production at TSMC, something that plagued ATi for the past 5 months. So instead of releasing a product that had extremely high production costs and very low yields which was almost impossible to purchase.... nVidia decided to not release specs or performance data so they and their 3rd party card manufacturers could sell off warehouses full of product.

Actually, the only thing that was limiting AMD/ATi was capacity, not yields.
Ahhh... so you are one of the few that think Nvidia ran hotlots, risky, and did 2 respins for "fun." Good one!

I don't think nVidia is losing much sleep at night knowing that being #2 in performance for a few months is not as bad as the huge costs of full scale manufacturing at 40% yields AND having the performance crown while only having a small number of those costly cards available for the public to purchase.

Nvidia would be in heaven if they were even close to 40% yields.

.... the people who spent the past few months beating their chests over the HD5xxx cards performance will just grab some tissues and sulk for the next year or two until ATi gets the crown again for a short time. I'm sure all the sane ATi and nVidia fans will be glad to have the endless thread crapping, lies by Charlie, and other nonsense just go away for a while. I sure as heck will.

Hmmm... you are sure doing a good job here. Thanks for the facts and non-bias comments. As much as some hate Charlie, I'm not sure where you can say he lied. Only recent thing I can remember is that he got some very wrong info on the whole Lucid ordeal.

[zerazax]

The R600 was just a crappy design by a graphics company hurting financially and only saved by AMD buying them up.

What's funny is that R600 was the basis for RV770 and RV870, and so far, they've done quite fine for ATI.

Maybe R600 wasn't the success ATI wanted, but the architecture has more than vindicated itself, seeing as how it's lasted 3 generations and has produced incredible scaling

And again, if the only performance on Fermi is what Nvidia PR is saying, I'd scale that back 10%

(it's my general rule regarding performance from PR sources... scale it back a bit and you see the truth )