Lego Star Wars I required 8500 level graphics on PC when it came out (and doesn't need to since it looks fine and gameplay is spot on). AFAIK the engine has not changed much since then except for being scaled back to run on GameCube (sorry Wii), PS2 and Wii. However, I am willing to test this theory once I have a H55 board to put my i3 540 ES into.Originally Posted by Drwho?
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+1I used to play Brood War on a Trident 9680 with 512KB of RAM. I'd at least hope a modern IGP could play that
How the hell is that news?
Talking about the article itself... Well, the performance increase is decent, I'd be expecting 2x instead of 50%, though...
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That I can buy. But WoW at playable framerates on that IGP is pretty much a lie. Maybe if you were taking a solitary hike through an unpopulated server, but I doubt you could even walk around coherently in town.
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people who play WoW on a non gaming computer, probably play the solo lvling game. as long as you stay in the old worlds, you probably can play it in a semi enjoyable rate. i use to 40man raid with a 9600pro at 1200x800 medium settings.
You forget a little detail, the new iGFX has DDRIII with enough bandwidth to do not starve at rasterization time (Texture sampling), and many other cool tricks are used to accelerate, This architecture is much more efficent than the previous one for DX and OpenGL.
Wait a little bit before saying it is a lie. Thanks to be fair. And remember, no extra power consumption (No 200W), and low cost.
Francois
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Nvidia's and ATI's IGP solutions put Intel's to shame. Why don't they simply drop their IGP and opt to use Nvidia's? (They wouldn't really get ATI's since now it's part of AMD).
Really, PC Gaming got a huge hit on the last decade thanks to every freaking Intel PC sold having a crappy IGP that would not run Solitaire without lagging on the jumping cards winning animation...
Francois, now you sound more like a marketer than an engineer!And speaking of the competition (200W), Cedar will be launching at the same time at <8W and will blow this thing out of the water. heh
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Bingo! My thoughts exactly.
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StarCraft Brood War is like a national sport in South Korea. They have TV channels (that's plural) almost soly dedicated to it. Both the Ongamenet Starleague and the MBCgame Starleague are viewed by millions.
During the World Cyber Games there is one game that has more viewers than most of the other games combined ... Star Craft.
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It would probably run nice on my 450MHz K6-II and 32MB AGP SiS video card with 128MB of speedy SIMM memory...I used to play Brood War on a Trident 9680 with 512KB of RAM. I'd at least hope a modern IGP could play that
It runs Windows 2000 nice, I play flight sim 95 with my old Gravis Blackhawk, and play Civilization II since it wont work on my 64bit PCs.
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Which in turn, puts console gaming in a very attractive light.
You're joking?
Seems the Koreans have found something they love even more then fish heads.
Lol where have you been living the past few years?
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Mediival II:Total war stands out in that group. I doubt it would be playable at high res, going by that chart with the rest of those older games
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The main issue is not the fact that the IGP cannot play high-end games at decent resulotion, it's the marketing that is trying to send a message an completely fails to deliver what it's supposed to say.Let's be clear, if you want to play high end game, use a GFX card ... but keep in mind that only 8% of the PC sold are used for games, and only 10% of the 8% play high end games ... Intel iGFx is getting more capable, this is a good new, you ll probably surprise when you OC it
This iGFx will be good enough for most of the people, and if you want to play high end game, buy a GFX card. The principal goal of intel is to provide PCs for every body on this planete, and to do so, we can't have every body running 200Watt GFX cards. a 200watts time the number of PCs needed for everybody on earth would be an ecological catastrophie. 0.8% of the people do what you people do here, so, please try to see this side of the story too.
(I expect to be flamed, as usual, but it is good to give the explanation for those interested into the Math behind all of this)
Francois
Try to convince your fellow Intel-colleagues to switch from "top mainstream games" to "occassional games". Closer to the truth and much less embarrassing.
Indeed. I thought the Korean's unbelievable love in SC was well known everywhere.Lol where have you been living the past few years?
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Let's be clear, if you want to play high end game, use a GFX card ... but keep in mind that only 8% of the PC sold are used for games, and only 10% of the 8% play high end games ... Intel iGFx is getting more capable, this is a good new, you ll probably surprise when you OC it
This iGFx will be good enough for most of the people, and if you want to play high end game, buy a GFX card. The principal goal of intel is to provide PCs for every body on this planete, and to do so, we can't have every body running 200Watt GFX cards. a 200watts time the number of PCs needed for everybody on earth would be an ecological catastrophie. 0.8% of the people do what you people do here, so, please try to see this side of the story too.
(I expect to be flamed, as usual, but it is good to give the explanation for those interested into the Math behind all of this)
Francois
Francois,
Even my Mom plays Win 7 games and Sims, YouTube, watches movies and uses Windows Aero...
I built her computer using a $89 motherboard (MSI 785GM-E65), which has an (ATI Radeon HD 4200 GPU) IGP.... That I managed to play Battlefield 2142 on, over the holidays..!
Most people have no reason to buy a video card right now, unless they need DirectX 11 support, or actually need more power... such as if they buy a system with the anemic Intel IGP !!
Yes, Intel's IGP performance is horrid..! That list proves it!
agreed - there is no way that IGP will play that on any decent res - let alone when there is 10,000 troops on the field
I'm glad to hear that Intel is making a better IGP but I'm underwhelmed by the rate of progress when compared to the competition.
or a 9300m or 785G
and yet every PC with preinstalled windows ships with games(at least pinball) I have to rip those things out with Nlite to keep the secretaries from wasting all their time
While not many PCs are purchased for exclusive use as gaming machines I'd wager very few indeed have never been used to play games at all. One must bear in mind that yesterdays "high end games" are tommorows low end games. Counterstrike anyone?
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wow, these are pretty awesome results....
/sarcasm
http://www.brightsideofnews.com/news....aspx?pageid=4
hmmm looks like it might have been removed.
anyway, here's a quote from the article, taken from IV.
http://www.investorvillage.com/smbd....sg&mid=8379841Intel 32nm Clarkdale Core i5 661 Dual Core CPU + GPU Evaluation - Bright Side Of News*
"If you look back at the battle between AMD and Intel you will see something that is both interesting and funny at the same time. This is a comical little irony that has been repeated over and over for more than a few years. What is the ironic happening? Well it is where AMD dreams up an idea and talks about it openly only to have someone else bring the product to market. We saw this with the first Dual Core CPUs. Intel came out with the Pentium D on May 25th 2005. This was roughly two months before AMD released the First Athlon 64 X2 in August of 2005 [although the X2 was a massively superior CPU]. The same thing was again see when Intel beat AMD to the Quad Core punch by almost a year with Kenstfield [which ended up outperforming AMD’s native Quad Core]. Naturally, we can debate is this of sheer Intel's engineering power, market position or just the fact that AMD has a permanent habit of roadmap slip-ups that started with the original K8 architecture.
Regardless of the reason, we see the same thing happening all over again. AMD has been talking of moving the GPU onto the CPU for a very long time, a strategy called Fusion. Originally, first Fusion products were supposed to show on the market in 2009 but that obviously didn't happen. Unfortunately for AMD, they have yet to take the first steps towards that goal. Instead we see Intel taking that Idea and again bringing the first steps to market in the form of the Dual Core 32nm Clarkdale CPU. Let’s take a look at this interesting new CPU from Intel and see if it will be remembered like the Pentium-D or the Core 2 Quad."
They got the chip to 4.3 with the IGP enabled, and 4.5 without it. Doesn't seem a whole lot different that todays chips do they?? And as suspected, graphics performance was not good at all.
Also, completey disagree with the bolded part. AMD has been firing on all cylinders since Barcelona's 65nm process issues, releasing product after product ahead of schedule. Most notably Istanbul which was 6 MONTHS ahead of schedule. If there's been slips on roadmaps, it's been from intel and NV, not AMD.
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Wait and see ... not too long before you see the result.
I think you will have a pleasant surprise
Francois
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Whatever be the case the performance around 90%+ will at least push AMD to release something better than the 3200-4200 "They are more or less very similar"
Nvidia is also stuck with 9300-9400 performance level.
Out of the list i have played Fifa 2009, FM 09 , Sims 2/3, WoW, Starcraft BW and Rangnarok.. Yay i am mainstream also BTW the ASIA list is more China than ASIA...
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I dunno dude, from what I saw on the BSN article there isn't anything to be pleasantly surprised about. Unless of course you have your expectations set extremely low.Wait and see ... not too long before you see the result.
I think you will have a pleasant surprise
Francois
Well they needed to, considering how much of a failure the original Phenom was. The way I see it, currently AMD is merely doing what's required of them [for survival]. Nothing more nothing less. Yes Phenom II looks good--but that's because we tend to compare it to Phenom 1 and Core 2 (a terribly underwhelming architecture and an architecture that has just been retired, respectively). Instead, we should be comparing Phenom II to Nehalem and perhaps Westmere (because it looks like Bulldozer isn't arriving fast enough). When you look at it in that light, Phenom II (and AMD's execution of its roadmaps) just doesn't look that impressive anymore.
Also, aside from Larrabee (the first gen consumer card), I don't see any major slips from Intel. Nvidia on the other hand...
let's compare the scores when it comes out with the other IGPI dunno dude, from what I saw on the BSN article there isn't anything to be pleasantly surprised about. Unless of course you have your expectations set extremely low.
(And let's ignore if both IGP run under 15FPS, since it is not playable for sure, playable starts at 30FPS (Personal opinion))
That's enough to make a point.
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