you're forgetting drivers and that Fermi is a different architecture to GT200bOriginally Posted by Luka_Aveiro
Fermi could be the Pentium 4 of GPU's, looks amazing on the spec sheet, is pretty crap in reality.
you're forgetting drivers and that Fermi is a different architecture to GT200b
Fermi could be the Pentium 4 of GPU's, looks amazing on the spec sheet, is pretty crap in reality.
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Highly unlikely unless ATi releases it in Q3 and Nvidia launches Fermi late Q1. By then it would be a waste to even get Fermi with the HD6000 so close.By the way, is someone besides me getting the feeling that Fermi will be "available" very close to HD 6000 launch?
Mind validate ur reasoning on ''i dont see fermi being faster than the gtx 295'' ?it is simple reason. how is this post of yours different from crap?
You just made a statement.. got anything to back it up? if not, then why wouldnt it be crap? Would be no difference from me saying: ''The earth is flat''
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if u look at the fermi specs.. everything is more then doubled from GT200 which is the GTX 280. The GTX 290 is not even made of 2x 280.. So what's ur reason for it not being faster?
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Performance can't be compared just by specs, much less specs across different architectures
it's rumoured for May so Q3 release could be only 1 and a bit months after Fermi's release.
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Specs show that fermi will be 30% faster than gtx 295 at physx and cuda and other gpu apps. I play video games and specs show it wont be faster than the gtx 295 in gaming
sorry I meant simple reasoning. Just trends I do admit the fermi will be faster than the gtx 295 at cuda and playing batman
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So basically, all GPU silicon comes through TSMC until 2011? Ugh... The Great GPU Drought of 2009 will be called The Great GPU Depression of 2010.
Globalfoundries roadmap:
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How could it not? 512 shader processors, GDDR5 on a 384bit bus, almost double specs of GT200. HD5870 was double of 4870X2 and it is just as if not faster than the latter, so if its true for ATI, it can't be true for Nvidia?
You're the biggest fanboy since gosh.
For ati we have benchies, Please show me benches that prove me to be a fanboyHow could it not? 512 shader processors, GDDR5 on a 384bit bus, almost double specs of GT200. HD5870 was double of 4870X2 and it is just as if not faster than the latter, so if its true for ATI, it can't be true for Nvidia?
You're the biggest fanboy since gosh.
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I don't need to show benches, you keep spouting non-sense and all this bull about 5850 or whatever being faster than GTX 285, no one cares but you.
It's like you have some kind of inferiority complex. You don't need to keep posting, "MY HD5850 is faster than your GTX 280!!! blah blah blah." and posting negative crap on NV threads.
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Fermi does have double specs than a GTX 285, but... From what we know, they have problems achieving high frequencies.
Low frequencies means it will be slightly lower than what Nvidia intended it to be, just like GT200 at release.
I wouldn't say that, look what happened when GT200 was launched, the 9800 GX2 made the GT200 look bad, I hope for nvidia sake Fermi doesn't end like the R600 did...so much specs crap performance.
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I am a fan of ATI's products. I have favored them over NV for a couple years now.
Your fanboy stance in every Fermi thread is over the top ridiculous, childish, anoying, and Xtremely pointless even to another ATI fan like myself.
Just thought I would let you in on that. Good day
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Ok, Because I cant seem to predict the future of fermi like you guys do I am a fanboy? I have a right to share my opinion.I am a fan of ATI's products. I have favored them over NV for a couple years now.
Your fanboy stance in every Fermi thread is over the top ridiculous, childish, anoying, and Xtremely pointless even to another ATI fan like myself.
Just thought I would let you in on that. Good day
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all p4 had was clock frequency which was marketed heavily just like ATi does with flops. we are talking about gpu's and if you have not noticed its not that different than previous architectures aside from gpgpu features. getting rid of the mul unit, 200GB/s bandwidth, and more R&D compared to r800 hints that wont happen.
Considering none of the cuda apps I've used could do SLI, I doubt one Fermi would be enough to combat 1 5970 in say Folding.
Yes Fermi will have to beat the 5970 to get the high end.
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Please stop posting bad/false information. Cypress yields are MUCH higher than 50%. Based on early numbers which are supposedly lower than the true yields, according to some, I believe yields are in the 65-75% range though they unfortunately are slightly lower than the aggressive goals AMD set. Juniper on the other hand is doing fantastic, is
exceeding expectations" and seems to be nearing yield numbers taking over for where RV770 left off.
Trust me, AMD is making bank right now with where the prices are at since the BOM for Cypress is only slightly higher than RV770. Basically they were able to replace the 4870x2 with something that decreases their expense by a good deal, meaning a large margin.
BTW- Who is on a .40nm production process? That is amazing, that's like 1% the size of TSMC's current production process...
Wow, please don't post info when you have no idea on numbers. OEMs did buy up quite a lot of AMD's new inventory but it was not in the "hundreds of thousands."
GF100 will have, roughly, about the same gaming performance advantage as GPGPU, or ~20-40%.It amazes me how quick people forgot this
I've been saying it for awhile now.. don't overhype Fermi. It will only lead to disappointment when you overestimate the card. Same deal with the 5870. People expected too much out of it and were disappointed when it was pretty much the exact same thing as a 4870x2 minus the new features. Well duh. The specs were pretty much double.
As for my guesses on performance. I'm going for its a repeat of the previous gen. The GTX380 will be ~20-30% faster than the 5870 ( Just like the GTX280 - 4870 ), and the GTX360 will be the exact same as the 5870. However, the difference with this gen compared to last is that Fermi will be a beast outside of gaming. That much is obvious. I think my performance estimates are the most realistic
How so? Have you actually compared the REAL specs of GF100...
There are a few places that could actually bottleneck the chip compared to GTX295. I do expect GF100 to be around GTX295 performance and beat it in some cases but not by 30%.
No... 28nm should be ramping at GF before the end of 2010, we probably won't be seeing anything in Q3, though it isn't entirely out of the question, but Q4 seems to be the most probable.So basically, all GPU silicon comes through TSMC until 2011? Ugh... The Great GPU Drought of 2009 will be called The Great GPU Depression of 2010.
Umm... ATi wasn't the one that started the Flops war, that started a loooong time ago. So how much has been spent on GF100 and R800 R&D? Please share...
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Originally Posted by motown_steve
Every genocide that was committed during the 20th century has been preceded by the disarmament of the target population. Once the government outlaws your guns your life becomes a luxury afforded to you by the state. You become a tool to benefit the state. Should you cease to benefit the state or even worse become an annoyance or even a hindrance to the state then your life becomes more trouble than it is worth.
Once the government outlaws your guns your life is forfeit. You're already dead, it's just a question of when they are going to get around to you.
ok to be specific dell bought over 100,000, and apple cleaned the warehouse. Feeling better now?Please stop posting bad/false information. Cypress yields are MUCH higher than 50%. Based on early numbers which are supposedly lower than the true yields, according to some, I believe yields are in the 65-75% range though they unfortunately are slightly lower than the aggressive goals AMD set. Juniper on the other hand is doing fantastic, is
exceeding expectations" and seems to be nearing yield numbers taking over for where RV770 left off.
Trust me, AMD is making bank right now with where the prices are at since the BOM for Cypress is only slightly higher than RV770. Basically they were able to replace the 4870x2 with something that decreases their expense by a good deal, meaning a large margin.
BTW- Who is on a .40nm production process? That is amazing, that's like 1% the size of TSMC's current production process...
Wow, please don't post info when you have no idea on numbers. OEMs did buy up quite a lot of AMD's new inventory but it was not in the "hundreds of thousands."
GF100 will have, roughly, about the same gaming performance advantage as GPGPU, or ~20-40%.
How so? Have you actually compared the REAL specs of GF100...
There are a few places that could actually bottleneck the chip compared to GTX295. I do expect GF100 to be around GTX295 performance and beat it in some cases but not by 30%.
No... 28nm should be ramping at GF before the end of 2010, we probably won't be seeing anything in Q3, though it isn't entirely out of the question, but Q4 seems to be the most probable.
Umm... ATi wasn't the one that started the Flops war, that started a loooong time ago. So how much has been spent on GF100 and R800 R&D? Please share...
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Theres a huge difference, everything thing you say is just an attempt to bait people into a useless argument, but instead of using reasoning in the debate, you simply insult them.
I given up simply trying to debate because you use no logic and at best, ad hominem arguments when your not insulting them.
I simply feel to raise my voice( I know it useless over the internet), when you simply are beginning to piss everyone off.
You are completely obnoxious, even people like clairvoyant and Goldbrick and to a lesser extent myself, who are AMD/ATI card holders are getting completely annoyed. Atleast most fanboys have some reasoning in their debates, you just seem like you want to cause a raucous and annoy.
You might have a right to your opinion, but when noone agree's and most your comments involve insulting someone, it just going to be a one way ticket to banville.
Your personality is so sour, its no wonder you been banned from other forums and your own forum is sparsely populated.
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he was talking about dual GTX 280s, try more reading and less jaw flapping. We all know the GTX 285/280s are surpassed, but they were perfectly fine to buy for the time they were under $350 long before the HD5870 came out. Also this thread is about fermi, which needs to be more powerful than the 5870 to succeed.
That Roadmap is a bit old.So basically, all GPU silicon comes through TSMC until 2011? Ugh... The Great GPU Drought of 2009 will be called The Great GPU Depression of 2010.
Globalfoundries roadmap:
See page 6 on this PDF from AMDs Financial Day Earlier this month for a newer one.
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That's the old one. Here's the new one.So basically, all GPU silicon comes through TSMC until 2011? Ugh... The Great GPU Drought of 2009 will be called The Great GPU Depression of 2010.
Globalfoundries roadmap:
latest GloFo's roadmap from whom is easy to pinpoint sample timeframe of Ll(el)iano:
source: http://www.pcper.com/article.php?aid=814
Sorry for the OT guys but I feel the need to clarify.
Dell nor Apple received a shipment of +100k Cypress based cards. They might have ordered/signed a contract for +100k Cypress based cards but the actual supply to a single OEM was no where near that.
Originally Posted by motown_steve
Every genocide that was committed during the 20th century has been preceded by the disarmament of the target population. Once the government outlaws your guns your life becomes a luxury afforded to you by the state. You become a tool to benefit the state. Should you cease to benefit the state or even worse become an annoyance or even a hindrance to the state then your life becomes more trouble than it is worth.
Once the government outlaws your guns your life is forfeit. You're already dead, it's just a question of when they are going to get around to you.
Yeah, but the new architecture might bring some benefits, too.
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It looks like the new architecture is more aimed towards GPGPU. That's not to say it wont be different on the gaming side though. Just going by specs, it should be 20-40% faster than the 5870. Pretty much the exact same as last gen.
Honestly, I think that all threads regarding Fermi should be locked unless said thread actually has NEW info. Not info coming from Nvidia's PR of all people. I'm talking actual benchmarks/official specs/release/performance figures. Ever since the 5800's released anything regarding Fermi has been pretty much the same. We've all repeated ourselves for the past 2+ months now
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