GF100 will be fastest GPU, Dual GPU Fermi is coming!

[cowie]

woohoo 700+ dollar ported game players that is what we need lol

[tajoh111]

would LMAO at this guy if Fermi flopped (no pun intended)

Why would you want Fermi flop?

It would be terrible for the consumer. It would keep prices high in addition to slow the release of future AMD products. Thats simply being an idiot for the sake of the argument with people you will never meet.

I feel sorry for people who want a product to fail so that they can get more happiness out of trolling. That is a very very sad individual.

[Andrew LB]

I wonder if some of the people advising wait for Fermi, would be advising to wait 6 months for the ATI 5000 series cards if the Fermi was on the market first.

Considering it was only in the past week or two that I was even able to find a 5870 in stock at an online store (because of production issues at TMSC), I'm not too worried about "missing the boat".

I highly doubt ATi even made any money on the very few 5870's released during October and November because of the 50% yield rate TMSC was still having through late November on the .40nm process.

And I still think it was a poor business move to release the card when they did, specifically because of the horrible yields and all the product their 3rd party card manufacturers are now stuck with on store shelves. Not much business sense to completely devalue your entire 4xxx product line by releasing a FAR faster card... when low yields prevent you from making money on it in addition to it not even being available to buy.

Newegg only has tons of HD4xxx cards in stock, with only a few of those models sold out. The same cannot be said for their stocks of nVidia cards since HALF of the GTX2xx models are sold out

[RaZz!]

yo guys! i'm really happy for you and imma let ya finish, but fermi is the bestestestest gpu of all time. OF ALL TIME!

[trinibwoy]

It's not just about waiting for Fermi. The current HD5xxx lineup just isn't an attractive upgrade for some people due to the relatively small performance jump in DX9/10 (~35%) for anyone with a GTX 285 or HD 4890. Nvidia is also benefiting from the dearth of DX11 content but that's gonna change soon. Demand is only going to increase after BF:BC2 and AVP drop and by that time there should be higher supply of Cypress chips too and that's when it's gonna make less sense to wait on Fermi. Nvidia can keep their dual-chip card though, give me 2x285 on a single chip and then we can talk.

[highoctane]

Personally I have a 4670 & 4850 in two htpc rigs but without question I much prefer my gtx260 for gaming & drivers overall. Thats just my own personal experience and feelings from using products from both companies, not a brand loyalty.

So when it comes to my next video card purchase from my own personal experience I will wait to see how Fermi performs before even considering 5xxx series.

[ajaidev]

yo guys! i'm really happy for you and imma let ya finish, but fermi is the bestestestest gpu of all time. OF ALL TIME!

Yep seems so after all GF100 rendered that kanye's pic in real time
It looks soo soo real...

[Teemax]

Considering it was only in the past week or two that I was even able to find a 5870 in stock at an online store (because of production issues at TMSC), I'm not too worried about "missing the boat".

I highly doubt ATi even made any money on the very few 5870's released during October and November because of the 50% yield rate TMSC was still having through late November on the .40nm process.

And I still think it was a poor business move to release the card when they did, specifically because of the horrible yields and all the product their 3rd party card manufacturers are now stuck with on store shelves. Not much business sense to completely devalue your entire 4xxx product line by releasing a FAR faster card... when low yields prevent you from making money on it in addition to it not even being available to buy.

Newegg only has tons of HD4xxx cards in stock, with only a few of those models sold out. The same cannot be said for their stocks of nVidia cards since HALF of the GTX2xx models are sold out

A pure fanboy logic...

NVIDIA cards are "sold out" because NVIDIA all but officially cancelled their current "high end" offering; a sensible move since only fanboys would go for those GTXs right now.

And I guess it's really stupid to release a card on schedule and capture 100% of the early DX 11, right? I mean, come on, they didn't even wait for Fermi!!


BTW, if the 40nm yield problem persist, Fermi is in a much worse situation. The bigger the chip, the worse a yield problem will affect it. Pray that an A4 stepping is not required for a commercial release.

[Manicdan]

Yep seems so after all GF100 rendered that kanye's pic in real time
It looks soo soo real...

i think hes wearing the nvidia 3D vision glasses too!!!

[eric66]

A pure fanboy logic...

NVIDIA cards are "sold out" because NVIDIA all but officially cancelled their current "high end" offering; a sensible move since only fanboys would go for those GTXs right now.

And I guess it's really stupid to release a card on schedule and capture 100% of the early DX 11, right? I mean, come on, they didn't even wait for Fermi!!


BTW, if the 40nm yield problem persist, Fermi is in a much worse situation. The bigger the chip, the worse a yield problem will affect it. Pray that an A4 stepping is not required for a commercial release.

+1 nvidia boys are smoking to much . latest three month must be rough for em

[eric66]

I want the fastest single GPU, I only use SLI sometimes.

That means waiting for Fermi which is > new AMD crap.

I mean here we are 9 months later and AMD can't beat my cards at Crysis.

I don't care about price.

One thing matters.

One thing.

One!

Fastest Single GPU.

and guess what 9800gx2 owned your beloved gtx 280 damn fanboys

[skugpezz]

Considering it was only in the past week or two that I was even able to find a 5870 in stock at an online store (because of production issues at TMSC), I'm not too worried about "missing the boat".

I highly doubt ATi even made any money on the very few 5870's released during October and November because of the 50% yield rate TMSC was still having through late November on the .40nm process.

And I still think it was a poor business move to release the card when they did, specifically because of the horrible yields and all the product their 3rd party card manufacturers are now stuck with on store shelves. Not much business sense to completely devalue your entire 4xxx product line by releasing a FAR faster card... when low yields prevent you from making money on it in addition to it not even being available to buy.

Newegg only has tons of HD4xxx cards in stock, with only a few of those models sold out. The same cannot be said for their stocks of nVidia cards since HALF of the GTX2xx models are sold out

Can fanboys really get any worse? The shortage of 58xx was also due to dell buying hundreds of thousands of them at once. Isnt that alot of money made? Just for the record my 5850 owns your gtx 285 at a lower price in all games. 5700 were always available too. NOTHING NVIDIA HAS IS IMPRESSIVE (no this is not fanboy talk)

EDIT: apple buying 4870s by the thousands brings money in for amd too.

[Heinz68]

Considering it was only in the past week or two that I was even able to find a 5870 in stock at an online store (because of production issues at TMSC), I'm not too worried about "missing the boat".

I highly doubt ATi even made any money on the very few 5870's released during October and November because of the 50% yield rate TMSC was still having through late November on the .40nm process.

And I still think it was a poor business move to release the card when they did, specifically because of the horrible yields and all the product their 3rd party card manufacturers are now stuck with on store shelves. Not much business sense to completely devalue your entire 4xxx product line by releasing a FAR faster card... when low yields prevent you from making money on it in addition to it not even being available to buy.

Newegg only has tons of HD4xxx cards in stock, with only a few of those models sold out. The same cannot be said for their stocks of nVidia cards since HALF of the GTX2xx models are sold out

Considering it was only in the past week or two that I was even able to find a 5870 in stock at an online store (because of production issues at TMSC), I'm not too worried about "missing the boat".

Wrong the ATI HD 5850/70 was launch on September 23rd, 2009 and for at least one month neweg had the cards listed every day. After that the cards (except in the prebuild boxes) were hardly available till about week or two ago.

Also lets not forget about the HD 5750/70, there are plenty of them for sale since the launch date and more people will buy the lower priced product.

Of course in case you're not ready for upgrade or buying ONLY NVIDIA you're not missing the boat.

I highly doubt ATi even made any money on the very few 5870's released during October and November because of the 50% yield rate TMSC was still having through late November on the .40nm process.

I highly doubt ATI would price the cards without making any profit specially since there isn't any competition. Could they made more money if the yields were higher sure, but small profit is still a profit, just go ask about it the NVIDIA ONLY partners that don't have any cards for sale.

And I still think it was a poor business move to release the card when they did, specifically because of the horrible yields and all the product their 3rd party card manufacturers are now stuck with on store shelves. Not much business sense to completely devalue your entire 4xxx product line by releasing a FAR faster card... when low yields prevent you from making money on it in addition to it not even being available to buy.

Not introducing the card on the market when the product was ready, would be the most stupid decision AMD ever made. AMD needs to increase the market share and most people who bought any of the HD 5*** cards are not going to be replacing them with Fermi when finally available.

Newegg only has tons of HD4xxx cards in stock, with only a few of those models sold out. The same cannot be said for their stocks of nVidia cards since HALF of the GTX2xx models are sold out.

The top end of the HD 4*** cards was HD 4870 x2, they're all sold out. The NVDIA cards are sold out since they're EOL and the NVIDIA buyers have no other option, I'm sure NVIDIA didn't plan for such situation for the Christmas market time.

[Vit^pr0n]

and guess what 9800gx2 owned your beloved gtx 280 damn fanboys

It amazes me how quick people forgot this

I've been saying it for awhile now.. don't overhype Fermi. It will only lead to disappointment when you overestimate the card. Same deal with the 5870. People expected too much out of it and were disappointed when it was pretty much the exact same thing as a 4870x2 minus the new features. Well duh. The specs were pretty much double.

As for my guesses on performance. I'm going for its a repeat of the previous gen. The GTX380 will be ~20-30% faster than the 5870 ( Just like the GTX280 - 4870 ), and the GTX360 will be the exact same as the 5870. However, the difference with this gen compared to last is that Fermi will be a beast outside of gaming. That much is obvious. I think my performance estimates are the most realistic

[JohnZS]

and guess what 9800gx2 owned your beloved gtx 280 damn fanboys

Huh?! GTX 280 was faster than the 9800GX2 where it mattered most (minimum and average frame rates).

Anyway yes I think people need to be a bit more realistic (myself included) I see the Fermi sitting between the 5870 and the 5970 and in those games which do not support Crossfire (or games where the Catalyst drivers are bugged) it may even be better than the 5970, but in most cases I can see it sitting nicely in the middle (perhaps more towards the 5970)

John

[skugpezz]

Huh?! GTX 280 was faster than the 9800GX2 where it mattered most (minimum and average frame rates).

Anyway yes I think people need to be a bit more realistic (myself included) I see the Fermi sitting between the 5870 and the 5970 and in those games which do not support Crossfire (or games where the Catalyst drivers are bugged) it may even be better than the 5970, but in most cases I can see it sitting nicely in the middle (perhaps more towards the 5970)

John

i dont see fermi being faster than the gtx 295

[Shadov]

Huh?! GTX 280 was faster than the 9800GX2 where it mattered most (minimum and average frame rates).

Anyway yes I think people need to be a bit more realistic (myself included) I see the Fermi sitting between the 5870 and the 5970 and in those games which do not support Crossfire (or games where the Catalyst drivers are bugged) it may even be better than the 5970, but in most cases I can see it sitting nicely in the middle (perhaps more towards the 5970)

John

Well I hope it will be CONSIDERING THE DIE SIZE?

People tend to forget that RV870 is relatively small... ATI intended from the very beginning of the design process to compete with an X2 in the high end.

[JohnZS]

i dont see fermi being faster than the gtx 295

We shall see about that
I however think it will be faster than the GTX 295, however I can see where you are coming from in that all we have heard is that it will be the fastest Single GPU solution. Hmmm does make you think doesn't it (clever wording, PR and spin?)

However I can see it being faster

Well I hope it will be CONSIDERING THE DIE SIZE?

People tend to forget that RV870 is relatively small... ATI intended from the very beginning of the design process to compete with an X2 in the high end.

True, but that was a similar case with the previous generation was it not? where that ATi didn't compete with the GTX 280 until the conception of the HD4870X2. However what I will say is the 48xx series cards was a LOT more successful than nVidia had anticipated... and so this time around they will hit back

John

[Marios]

I expect Fermi to be 10-20% faster than dual SLI 285GTX in DX10 games and 50% faster with Fermi optimized DX11 games.

[M.Beier]

Wuhuuu, nvidia stating their next generation will be fastest..... Well atleast to CURRENT ATI cards...? How about compared to ATI's upcoming cards... Or even "worse" Intels?

[Luka_Aveiro]

i dont see fermi being faster than the gtx 295

Would you please stop posting crap?

[skugpezz]

Would you please stop posting crap?

it is simple reason. how is this post of yours different from crap?

[tajoh111]

Wuhuuu, nvidia stating their next generation will be fastest..... Well atleast to CURRENT ATI cards...? How about compared to ATI's upcoming cards... Or even "worse" Intels?

Was that sarcasm? I can't tell anymore.

Because Intel at this point doesn't seem like much of a threat aside from computing applications.

Something tells me that AMD is going to wait until 28nm if they are indeed doing the skip of 32nm before there next generation r900. r870 is getting close to 400mm2 as it is, and the power envelope is working against them as seen with the 4890. 28nm is going to make the cards 2011 cards.

They might refresh this generation, but if its like the former generation(4890), it might just catch up like gtx 280 vs 4890.

[Luka_Aveiro]

it is simple reason. how is this post of yours different from crap?

simple reason?

Have you even compared specs?

High-end Fermi is going to be at least 30% faster than GTX295 in the worst case scenario.

[Shadov]

By the way, is someone besides me getting the feeling that Fermi will be "available" very close to HD 6000 launch?