ATI Radeon HD 5890 Coming in Q1 2010

[InCredible]

id like to see it if its real ...however i dont really know why they would put out these cards other then to test the 28nm fab..since the 6 series is slated for q3/4 of 2010 whats the point of puttin out a refresh already of the 5 series...unless the 6 series may not be on time and this will help compete or obliterate fermi's launch..since the performance will increase obviously while allowing the 5 series cards out now to drop in price quite a bit..atleast we hope

[cegras]

This would imply that Fermi is a farce, does not exist in any form and never will, or that it is big on paper but will never reach retail. Both of which are false statements.

ATI is going to have some massive competition come Q1. A 5890 will help but does not appear that it will do any dethroning. Also I believe a 28nm process in mass production in Q1 10 to be a complete and total load of crap. They can't even get 40nm working.

It is extremely hard to take a large, high power and high complexity chip such as the RV870, shrink it a full node, while at the same time increasing power and complexity, apparently switching foundries, and putting it into mass production, all the while getting this done in a matter of months. That simply can't happen.

EDIT:
Anddddd.... the graph is already proven to be mere speculation:

Right.

[Stukov]

Just because AMD is going to make a 28nm card, doesn't mean it will be a production card. It could just be an internal engineering sample.

[Vit^pr0n]

This would imply that Fermi is a farce, does not exist in any form and never will, or that it is big on paper but will never reach retail. Both of which are false statements.

ATI is going to have some massive competition come Q1. A 5890 will help but does not appear that it will do any dethroning. Also I believe a 28nm process in mass production in Q1 10 to be a complete and total load of crap. They can't even get 40nm working.

It is extremely hard to take a large, high power and high complexity chip such as the RV870, shrink it a full node, while at the same time increasing power and complexity, apparently switching foundries, and putting it into mass production, all the while getting this done in a matter of months. That simply can't happen.

EDIT:
Anddddd.... the graph is already proven to be mere speculation:

Probably the most delusional Nvidia fanboy on any forum I've seen

Nvidia practically gave ATi 6 months+ to make a new chip to compete with their GTX380. If you honestly think that ATi will just let Nvidia launch their GT300 series unanswered, you're wrong. It doesn't matter if the GT300 is slower or faster than the 5870. You can bet ATi is gonna rain on their parade on launch day.

As for these specs.. they're all speculation and probably wrong. We can assume that it will be like the 4890 - It will either be a binned 5870 clocked @ 950 or 1000 core.

[bladerash]

I wouldn't be surprised if they wanna get some experience first with smaller transistors. Maybe a HD53xx or HD55xx on 32/28nm, so they will have the time to fine-tune it for better yields for the upcoming HD6 series.
But this is obviously crap.

[NickF]

Probably the most delusional Nvidia fanboy on any forum I've seen

Nvidia practically gave ATi 6 months+ to make a new chip to compete with their GTX380. If you honestly think that ATi will just let Nvidia launch their GT300 series unanswered, you're wrong. It doesn't matter if the GT300 is slower or faster than the 5870. You can bet ATi is gonna rain on their parade on launch day.

As for these specs.. they're all speculation and probably wrong. We can assume that it will be like the 4890 - It will either be a binned 5870 clocked @ 950 or 1000 core.

Unlikely. From what I understand, some 5870s can already do 900+ on stock cooling. It's much more likely to see Sapphire, XFX, HIS and the like finally get some chips and the ability to spin their own PCBs, coolers, and clocks out of them. More of a "Super RV770" than a RV790. Remember, the RV790 was in fact a slightly different chip than the RV770.

The specs posted here are far from speculation. FUD and Semi-Accurate speculate. This is some with too much spare time editing the wikipedia article. If you honestly think that there's a spec of truth in that chart, then you're the delusional one.

[Chrono Detector]

Maybe ATI should wait for NVIDIA to release their GT300/Fermi and then release their 5890 or whatever, thats if Fermi will actually beat 5870 or 5970. If you check the Wikipedia page right now, the 5890 information has been removed. 28nm? Sounds unlikely.

[003]

ati had 40nm working since the 4770.

I have not seen fermi up to now, maybe I will see it around april next year. By that time I should have a 5850 and a 5950.

You will see it around February and it is not going to disappoint neither in price nor performance. Can't say anything else due to NDA.

I see you migrated from OCN I think it suited you better.

[Jamesrt2004]

I wouldn't be surprised if they wanna get some experience first with smaller transistors. Maybe a HD53xx or HD55xx on 32/28nm, so they will have the time to fine-tune it for better yields for the upcoming HD6 series.
But this is obviously crap.

nah ATI love doing current series (the high end cards) shrink first,

that way they have experience in the node WITH a high level/complex chip, unlike the way nvidia does it which imo can cause trouble but meh, what do i know

You will see it around February and it is not going to disappoint neither in price nor performance. Can't say anything else due to NDA.

I see you migrated from OCN I think it suited you better.

mid feb/start march well seeming mr nvidia hater Charlie... didnt even rant about the 40% faster @ 750 core... im willing to bet its gonna be good...

basically its going to be competing with 5790 correct? ... if nvidia want the high end card.. to sell well they HAVE to try price it under 5790 (which personally i dont think they can i mean it's a beast of a chip)

but meh i dont believe these supposed specs, but I think ati have something planned, nvidia kinda got screwed by how complex this chip is

[Jowy Atreides]

Anything about a 5950?

[Aerwidh]

I wouldn't be surprised if they wanna get some experience first with smaller transistors. Maybe a HD53xx or HD55xx on 32/28nm, so they will have the time to fine-tune it for better yields for the upcoming HD6 series.

Yeah, looking at how they did a 4770 earlier, I'd expect something more mainstream/performance like the 57x0 to be shrunk first, just to test the process with a smaller and less expensive chip before going high end. Considering their current position in the market, risking it with a relatively large chip seems rather unnecessary.

Edit:

nah ATI love doing current series (the high end cards) shrink first,

that way they have experience in the node WITH a high level/complex chip, unlike the way nvidia does it which imo can cause trouble but meh, what do i know

Do I need to RMA my sarcasm detector, or have you gotten something backwards?

[=SOC= Admiral]

There are to many discrepancies in the chart and they have been spaced out in each row so the average person would miss them. It will be imposable for ATI to get 28nm in Q1 2010 maybe very end of Q3 and beginning of Q4.

[skugpezz]

You will see it around February and it is not going to disappoint neither in price nor performance. Can't say anything else due to NDA.

I see you migrated from OCN I think it suited you better.

I have NDA info too, and fermi it will be releases may 2010 , slower than a 5870, but faser than a 5850. That is all I can say right now.

[Lokinhow]

You do realize that the 5850/5870 stats are correct in that right?

hmmm, it says 512bits memory bus for HD5870, so only HD5850 is correct

[skycrane]

if you cant say anything due to a NDA, then arent you breaking the NDA talking about that you cant talk about the NDA?

or did someone get ther NDA from a MBS, because a QFT was not in the FBI, or CIA, without NSA talking about the AMD because they are better than NVIDA because JHH is full of SUE " Shi Up to Eyes?"or is all fo this just a bunch of BS ?????

god i crackmyslef up

[Calmatory]

You will see it around February and it is not going to disappoint neither in price nor performance. Can't say anything else due to NDA.

I see you migrated from OCN I think it suited you better.

Coming from a guy who preached for mid-November launch.. Right. Why don't you just stop spreading the FUD? Oh hi again Nvidia.

In speculation threads, people like you should be ignored by everyone for obvious reasons.

How do I know you're bs'ing? My source implies that Q1 might not be enough for GF100. So yes, welcome HD 5890.

[003]

I also have information that is under a NDA. Fermi will be released in May of 2010, and will be slower than the 5870 but faster than the 5850. I am unable to reveal more information at this time.

Please at least tend to your grammar and spelling. I have fixed it in the quote for you. The difference between us however is that you completely made that up and don't have any information period, with or without a NDA.

Coming from a guy who preached for mid-November launch.. Right. Why don't you just stop spreading the FUD? Oh hi again Nvidia.

That was speculation on my part and I will admit it turned out to be incorrect. This time I actually have information that is protected by an NDA.

How do I know you're bs'ing? My source implies that Q1 might not be enough for GF100. So yes, welcome HD 5890.

I'm not sure what your source is, but that is an irrelevant detail as it is wrong. Nvidia has already provided Fermi based cards to some of its close partners, and performance is outstanding to say the least. The MSRP will not be higher than that of the GTX280, and this time, in comparison with the competition, there will be a very good price/performance ratio. If ATI does not significantly lower prices of their 59xx and 58xx cards, they will come off as a waste of money next to Fermi and its derivatives.

[skugpezz]

Please at least tend to your grammar and spelling. I have fixed it in the quote for you. The difference between us however is that you completely made that up and don't have any information period, with or without a NDA.

That was speculation on my part and I will admit it turned out to be incorrect. This time I actually have information that is protected by an NDA.


I'm not sure what your source is, but that is an irrelevant detail as it is wrong. Nvidia has already provided Fermi based cards to some of its close partners, and performance is outstanding to say the least. The MSRP will not be higher than that of the GTX280, and this time, in comparison with the competition, there will be a very good price/performance ratio. If ATI does not significantly lower prices of their 59xx and 58xx cards, they will come off as a waste of money next to Fermi and its derivatives.

I did not make it up

[003]

I did not make it up

Yeah, the proof is that I actually have information protected by NDA and it is completely contradictory to the claims in your post. Your post is in fact considered trolling as it is completely made up with the intent of provoking an emotional response and draw attention away from the real information.

[Helloworld_98]

Yeah, the proof is that I actually have information protected by NDA and it is completely contradictory to the claims in your post. Your post is in fact considered trolling as it is completely made up with the intent of provoking an emotional response and draw attention away from the real information.

how do we know you're not just another lying SOB?

[skugpezz]

Yeah, the proof is that I actually have information protected by NDA and it is completely contradictory to the claims in your post. Your post is in fact considered trolling as it is completely made up with the intent of provoking an emotional response and draw attention away from the real information.

We need proof of you having information, because my information completely contradicts yours. Troll is your middle name.

[003]

We need proof of you having information, because my information completely contradicts yours. Troll is your middle name.

A non-disclosure agreement (NDA), also known as a confidentiality agreement, confidential disclosure agreement (CDA), proprietary information agreement (PIA), or secrecy agreement, is a legal contract between at least two parties that outlines confidential material, knowledge, or information that the parties wish to share with one another for certain purposes, but wish to restrict access to by third parties. It is a contract through which the parties agree not to disclose information covered by the agreement. An NDA creates a confidential relationship between the parties to protect any type of confidential and proprietary information or trade secrets. As such, an NDA protects non-public business information.

I hope you see the irony in you calling me a troll, while at the same time continuing to promulgate the information that you completely made up.

how do we know you're not just another lying SOB?

I am making very bold claims and my reputation will be severely harmed if I am making this up. You could argue the information that I was posting earlier was incorrect, but that was merely speculation on my part, where as this time I have real information to work with.

[motox]

Yeah, the proof is that I actually have information protected by NDA and it is completely contradictory to the claims in your post. Your post is in fact considered trolling as it is completely made up with the intent of provoking an emotional response and draw attention away from the real information.

the fact that you have nvidia's CEO as your avatar makes me not want to believe you lol.

[Manicdan]

I'm not sure what your source is, but that is an irrelevant detail as it is wrong. Nvidia has already provided Fermi based cards to some of its close partners, and performance is outstanding to say the least. The MSRP will not be higher than that of the GTX280, and this time, in comparison with the competition, there will be a very good price/performance ratio. If ATI does not significantly lower prices of their 59xx and 58xx cards, they will come off as a waste of money next to Fermi and its derivatives.

god i hope your right about that, if your not, you will be breaking many hearts here. its very sad when GPU prices have gone up over the last 6 months

I did not make it up

can u buy me that shirt for xmas, ill love you long time

[skugpezz]

I hope you see the irony in you calling me a troll, while at the same time continuing to promulgate the information that you completely made up.



I am making very bold claims and my reputation will be severely harmed if I am making this up. You could argue the information that I was posting earlier was incorrect, but that was merely speculation on my part, where as this time I have real information to work with.

I also have non-disclosure agreement , and I made claims form it. Prove me wrong