X48 Rampage Formula Preview.

[Alien Grey]

Yoh Alien-Grey,
it looks like ASUS won´t release a new BIOS. The 0902 is about a year old
But I am happy to see that you managed to oc your memory over 1,200 MHz.
The clue was ai clock twister "light".
Are you waiting for the "Fermi" from Nvidia?

@all,
did anybody of you guys hear when NVidia will bring out the GT300 ?

I'm waiting for my EVGA GTX 285 Hydro Copper but I don't think I'm going to see it ever so you can say that I'm waiting for GT300.

[greg.m]

@ GREG.M
Nice Sig.. Nice results..

-> Project Blue Orbit - Phase 2 Initiated . (More to come..)

Cant wait to see your extreme water-case It might take some time but you have to keep us informed during construction with a lot of details - and pictures of course. Im waiting for your thread...

[leo27]

@A-Grey
So i take it you've moved back to Ai Clock Twister Moderate with Static Read Enabled??
Also should static read be enabled or disabled??? I've always had it enabled but i take it having it enabled increases bandwidth??

@Greg.M
How did you get to 500fsb with 1200Mhz ram and a quad!!! Would you mind posting your bios settings

[-Acid-]

very good posting A-Grey

will be adding my own results shortly

nice to see come stats with my Q6600 vrs your Q9650

[leo27]

I'm looking forward to seeing what results you are getting with the q6600 and this board Acid.

[Alien Grey]

@A-Grey
So i take it you've moved back to Ai Clock Twister Moderate with Static Read Enabled??
Also should static read be enabled or disabled??? I've always had it enabled but i take it having it enabled increases bandwidth??

Enabled increases bandwidth. It works with Ai ClockTwister Moderate. If you choose Ai ClockTwister Light all it probably does is disable DRAM Static Read.

The problem is that some timings are still to tight with Ai ClockTwister Moderate and DRAM Static Read Disabled or Ai ClockTwister Light and Ai ClockTwister Lighter doesn't change anything.

If you want FSB 500MHz with a Quad you're going to need sky high voltages to force stability.

[Alien Grey]

I was wondering when asus will give us a new bios (if its going to happen)

Someone from Asus here???

I know our lovely Rampage is kind of "old" but i think we deserve something new to play.

I've send a mail to my contact at ASUS Global Tech support asking for a new BIOS for our ASUS Rampage Formula.

I explained in my mail to him about Ai ClockTwister and ask him again to add tREF in the BIOS so we can test it with MemTest86+.


I hope that ASUS can give us a new BIOS that fixes these issues.

[greg.m]

How did you get to 500fsb with 1200Mhz ram and a quad!!! Would you mind posting your bios settings

My crazy settings(crysis stable, memtest stable)

Ai Overclock Tuner [Manual]
CPU Ratio Setting [9.0]
FSB Strap to North Bridge [Auto]
FSB Frequency [500MHz]
PCIE Frequency [100MHz]

DRAM Frequency [1201MHz]
DRAM Command Rate [Auto]
DRAM CLK Skew on Channel A/B [Auto]
DRAM TimingControl [Manual] 5-5-5-15
DRAM Static Read Control [Auto]
Ai Clock Twister [Moderate]
Ai Transaction Booster [Manual]
Common Performance Level [07]
Pull-In of CH A/B all disabled

CPU Voltage [1.47500V]
CPU PLL Voltage [1.50V]
North Bridge Voltage [1.77V]
DRAM Voltage [1.90V]
FSB Termination Voltage [1.68V (1.58v real)]
South Bridge Voltage [1.100V]
SB 1.5V Voltage [1.50V]
Loadline Calibration [Disabled]
CPU GTL Voltage Reference [0.62X]
NB GTL Voltage Reference [0.67X]
DRAM Controller Voltage REF [Auto]
DRAM Channel A/B Voltage REF [Auto]

CPU Spread Spectrum [Auto]
PCIE Spread Spectrum [Auto]
CPU Clock Skew [Delay 100ps]
NB Clock Skew [Delay Normal]

CPU Ratio Setting [9.0]
C1E Support [Disabled]
CPU TM Function [Auto]
Vanderpool Technology [Enable]
Execute Disable Bit [Enable]
Max CPUID Value Limit [Disabled]

[Fritz_the_germ]

ASUS is trying to fool us.

Ai Clock Twister Light is exactly the same as Ai Clock Twister Moderate and DRAM Static Read Control Disabled. It's exactly the same bandwidth in EVEREST.
I also tried Ai Clock Twister Lighter. It's also exactly the same bandwidth.

After many more tests I came to this conclusion. The memory is stable at DDR 1253MHz and tRD 6.

The CPU is stable at 4.23GHz.

The board fails to keep it stable.

BIOS 0902 is good but not good enough. The problems with the memory are fixed but there's still a problem with the BIOS that makes the NB fail after some time.


FSB 500MHz and my Q9650 ... not with this board and/or BIOS if I want it really stable.

I totaly agree with you that ASUS is trying to feed their users some bull


But if you are really looking for board that is able to reach a stable fsb of 500 MHz get a DFI DK45 T2-RS Plus. A fsb of 500 MHz is guaranteed. I think it would be absolutly the right joice for you.
My son is still happy with an ASUS Board but soon comes the time when he is bored too

[greg.m]

I've send a mail to my contact at ASUS Global Tech support asking for a new BIOS for our ASUS Rampage Formula.

I explained in my mail to him about Ai ClockTwister and ask him again to add tREF in the BIOS so we can test it with MemTest86+.


I hope that ASUS can give us a new BIOS that fixes these issues.

I hope that youll receive a positive reply and i cross my fingers that we will see a new bios soon

[leo27]

@Greg.m
Wow that vNB and FSB term voltages are insane
Is it stable in linX or P95??

@A-Grey
I hope ASUS finally listen and add tREF to the board that would be awesome and whats more it should be possible as there is no hardware limitation for adding tREF to the BIOS it just depends on whether the BIOS engineers are willing to do it.

And fixing clock twister might allow for some crazy high FSB action that the board is definitely capable if we get full BIOS support. So keep pestering them it worked before when we got the clock skews.

[Alien Grey]

I tried everything. I also tried with CPU Clock Skew Delay 100ps and NB Clock Skew Normal but MemTest for Windows always gives me an error after some time.

I tried with tRD 7 but it doesn't help. This makes me believe that it isn't the bandwidth that's causing the problem.

I tested my memory again with MemTest86+ for over 7 passes and no errors with Ai ClockTwister Moderate, DRAM Static Read Enabled and tRD6.

Tested it again with LinX and no problems to do 25 passes with Ai ClockTwister Light.


It makes a difference if you change Ai ClockTwister in LinX. It fails within 25 passes with Ai ClockTwister Moderate and DRAM Static Read Enabled but I don't think that the CPU is causing the failure.

Although changing Ai ClockTwister makes a difference it is strange that I don't see this in the EVEREST bandwidth benchmark.


I hope we see a new BIOS that fixes that problem. My guess is that ASUS never tested it with DDR 1250MHz.

[greg.m]

@Greg.m
Wow that vNB and FSB term voltages are insane
Is it stable in linX or P95?

OF COURSE...not Linx would my everything and prime stability... i dont know, maybe its not so far away... we will see

[traveler]

Hey Buds. Got a question.

I have always run only two SATA hard drives in a computer system until today.

Today I added a third SATA hard drive to my Asus Rampage Formula.

The BEFORE setup:
Plugged into the SATA1 motherboard port is a 500 GB hard drive recognized as PrimaryMaster in the BIOS and as Disk0 in winXP.
Plugged into the SATA2 motherboard port is a 500 GB hard drive recognized as PrimarySlave in the BIOS and as Disk1 in winXP.

Then when I add the third SATA hard drive:

The AFTER setup:
Plugged into the SATA1 motherboard port is the 500 GB hard drive still recognized as PrimaryMaster in the BIOS and as Disk0 in winXP.
Plugged into the SATA2 motherboard port is the same 500 GB hard drive but now it is recognized as SecondayMaster in the BIOS and as Disk2 in winXP.
Plugged into the SATA3 motherboard port is the new drive. But the new 1000 GB drive is now the PrimarySlave in the BIOS and Disk1 in winXP. It "changed places" in the BIOS and in windows with the SATA2 port.


I didn't do anything other than plug the new drive into the SATA3 port on the motherboard and turn on the computer. I want the "old" drives to stay the same and the new drive to be SM and Disk2. What do I do? Why did this happen? Logic says the ports should be sequential. Shades of the win98 drive labeling system.



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Asus Radeon HD4870X2 Tri-Fan 2GB graphics card / 24" DeLL Ultrasharp 2408WFP monitor /
Western Digital Raptor X Hard Drive / Two Western Digital Caviar RE2 WD5001ABYS 500GB 7200 RPM SATA 3.0Gb/s Hard Drives /
Creative SoundBlaster X-Fi Elite Pro 7.1 / Creative Gigaworks S750 7.1 Speaker System /
Lian Li 343B cube case / PC Power & Cooling Silencer 750 Crossfire Edition /
IOGEAR GCS1782 GCS1782 Dual-Link DVI KVMP switch with 7.1 audio

[leo27]

In the bios you can fix this, i can't remember off the top of my head where the setting is but i'll have a look and post it. I'm pretty sure its in the boot section and then hard drives. Also is SATA running in IDE mode or AHCI?

[traveler]

Thanks for the reply leo27.

IDE mode is the setting.

I did look for some kind of BIOS switch but couldn't find one. Let me know where it is if you found it.



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Asus X48 Rampage Formula / Intel Q9450 2.66 @ 3.2 / 2 x 2GB OCZ Reaper HPC PC2 8500 /
Asus Radeon HD4870X2 Tri-Fan 2GB graphics card / 24" DeLL Ultrasharp 2408WFP monitor /
Western Digital Raptor X Hard Drive / Two Western Digital Caviar RE2 WD5001ABYS 500GB 7200 RPM SATA 3.0Gb/s Hard Drives /
Creative SoundBlaster X-Fi Elite Pro 7.1 / Creative Gigaworks S750 7.1 Speaker System /
Lian Li 343B cube case / PC Power & Cooling Silencer 750 Crossfire Edition /
IOGEAR GCS1782 GCS1782 Dual-Link DVI KVMP switch with 7.1 audio

[traveler]

I'm using BIOS 0410.

I just rebooted. The initial boot screen shows the autodetect sequence of the BIOS. It first autodetects SATA1 then it autodetects SATA3.!!!!! Why does it do that???!!!??? Shouldn't the BIOS autodetect SATA1 first and then SATA2???????



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Asus X48 Rampage Formula / Intel Q9450 2.66 @ 3.2 / 2 x 2GB OCZ Reaper HPC PC2 8500 /
Asus Radeon HD4870X2 Tri-Fan 2GB graphics card / 24" DeLL Ultrasharp 2408WFP monitor /
Western Digital Raptor X Hard Drive / Two Western Digital Caviar RE2 WD5001ABYS 500GB 7200 RPM SATA 3.0Gb/s Hard Drives /
Creative SoundBlaster X-Fi Elite Pro 7.1 / Creative Gigaworks S750 7.1 Speaker System /
Lian Li 343B cube case / PC Power & Cooling Silencer 750 Crossfire Edition /
IOGEAR GCS1782 GCS1782 Dual-Link DVI KVMP switch with 7.1 audio

[Alien Grey]

I was wrong when I said that I always have the same bandwidth when changing the Ai ClockTwister from Moderate to light or lighter and enable or disable DRAM Static Read.

I've got the best bandwidth with Ai ClockTwister Lighter and DRAM Static Read Disabled.
It also gives me the longest stable MemTest For Windows run.


There's no doubt that the Ai ClockTwister timings are to tight for DDR 1200MHz+. ASUS should fix that so we can use Light and Lighter for DDR 1200MHz+.

I post some pictures to compare with the ones that I posted before.

[leo27]

@Traveler
Try going into the bios --> boot --> hard disk drives here you can select which hdd is number 1, which is 2 and which is 3. This is just a hunch and may not be what your after at all.

If this doesn't work you could try changing the sata mode from ide to ahci. AHCI enables extra sata features such as NCQ, hot swap etc.
If you have XP follow this guide http://forums.pcper.com/showthread.php?t=444831
If your on vista then follow this http://support.microsoft.com/kb/922976

After you follow the steps in the link you then install intel matrix storage manager and reboot and your good to go. I've already performed this on my rig and it worked fine so i know it works.

The reason changing from IDE to AHCI would fix your problem is that the master/slave naming is from IDE, when you change to AHCI it simply says HDD 1, 2 etc.

[leo27]

@A-Grey
It sounds like something is really messed up if you get better bandwidth with light not moderate. Please pester ASUS for us all so that we finally get the bugs fixed.

Also i finally managed to lower my vCPU!!! I'm now running 1.384v in windows (1.40000v BIOS) down from 1.400 (1.41250v BIOS) this change dropped my load temps in LinX by 5C which is alot since i'm on air cooling. The key was changing NB GTL to 0.63x i'll post my full bios settings later. It is 50 passes LinX stable and 10.5hr small FFT's stable a P95+UT2004 test will be happening soon.

I seem to need realtivly high vNB for this though i'm at 1.41 (same vNB as when i was at 1.400 vCPU) in BIOS (although i can do 1.39 just) i guess thats the price of running AI Clock Twister Stronger and DRAM Static Read Enabled even though my FSB is only 425Mhz .

This is with tREF at 16383T with memtest 4.1

[Alien Grey]

The weirdest thing is that if I use higher Nb Voltage it doesn't make it more stable. It just gets worse and fails a lot quicker in MemTest For Windows.

This is with CPU Clock Skew Delay 200ps and NB Clock Skew Delay 100ps but also with CPU Clock Skew Delay 100ps and NB Clock Skew Normal.


Does any know if we could use one of the Gigabyte boards BIOS? Maybe then we could finally see some real high FSB on our board.

[leo27]

I doubt a gigabyte BIOS would even flash, but if it did it would probably brick it since i assume they use different hardware. I think there is still some problems with BIOS 902 that is causing your instability, it's probably due to the bug relating to the NB timings and AI Clock twister or it could be from the minimal GTL reference adjustments. Just a thought but have you tried tweaking the NB gtl along with vtt when you increase vNB??

[SoLoR]

I doubt a gigabyte BIOS would even flash, but if it did it would probably brick it since i assume they use different hardware

you can force it to flash however was checking specification of GA-X48-DQ6, they are to different, altho maybe without functional lan/sound/ide controler it might be possible somehow altho i wouldnt play around... one major failure on this board is lack of dual bios... destroys all the fun. Altho fun facts, that Gigabyte board is using 1MB award bios thats basicaly full. This rampage formula is using AMI 2MB bios that have lots of space left.

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Bytes Free : D1648 = 857672 eh, so many things they could add... they could give us some AMI Aptio UEFI bios.... Also was checking this bios with AMIBCP the other day, if there are some hidden features... except localization (language) option there is none

[leo27]

@A-Grey
One other thing could you email your ASUS contact to try and get ASUS to add the updated JMicron IDE controller firmware into a new BIOS if they end up making one because reportadly it solves a lot of problems and speeds up the boot time as well if the IDE controller is enabled

[Alien Grey]

@SoLoR

This Gigabyte BIOS on my ASUS Rampage Formula is just a joke. I know it would brick my board. I just wanted to say that Gigabyte can make a BIOS that give you a stable high FSB overclock and ASUS can't or won't make one.


@leo27

I'll ask to update the ROM.


@greg.m

Try to get a stable running board with 9 X 470MHz and DDR 1253MHz with tRD6 and let us know how you are doing.



I'll prepare another mail to ASUS and this time it won't be just for my contact at ASUS Tech Support.



There's only one thing left to try for me and that is don't use the CPU and NB Clock Skew. I've got a feeling that this also has something to do with the failure on high FSB.