Intel - 34nm G2 - TRIM f/w update

[Ao1]

Thanks for the link but i couldn't find any RAID info in the article

Read the thread. Check post 15. Download the white paper. Read the Q&A. Bingo.

[cx-ray]

I'm not sure what to make of that Intel Q&A:

Intel is looking at including support in future versions of the tool.

For all we know it could mean: Support will be included with our latest driver + ICH11R. In other words get a new mobo if you want RAID + TRIM

[Lu(ky]

Thanks for the link but i couldn't find any RAID info in the article

PAGE 3 not allot but saying it will not support TRIM with a raid setup.. Allot of guys were asking about this question and it says a little work around on it below.

There’s a major problem with TRIM today. The only Windows storage drivers to support it are written by Microsoft. The Intel Matrix Storage Manager (IMSM) driver will not pass the TRIM instruction to your SSD. This means you can't use anything but the drivers that ship with Windows 7. To make matters worse, if you enable non-member RAID on an Intel motherboard the default Windows 7 driver is an older version of IMSM so TRIM won't work there either - even if you don't have a RAID array created. Your best bet is to install Windows 7 with your I/O controller in AHCI mode (for Intel chipsets) and don't install any storage drivers. Intel is working on an updated IMSM that will pass the TRIM instruction to SSDs but it won't be ready for at least a couple of months.

TRIM won't work on a RAID array.

If you want to use IMSM or if you're using Windows XP or Vista, both of which do not support TRIM, there's another option. Earlier this year Indilinx released its Wiper Tool that performs a manual TRIM on their SSDs. It works by asking the OS for a list of the free space addresses on the partition and then sending the list with instructions to TRIM down to the SSD.

[bigjohns97]

Does anyone still have the iso that updates the drives?

I am currently running 2x x25-m 80 gig g2's as my raid-0 system partition for windows 7 and need the iso to boot to so i can update my drives and return them to raid config.

[shabby]

Does anyone still have the iso that updates the drives?

I am currently running 2x x25-m 80 gig g2's as my raid-0 system partition for windows 7 and need the iso to boot to so i can update my drives and return them to raid config.

Here you go http://www.sendspace.com/file/s18k0z

[Speederlander]

All the people that dropped huge coin to run multiple SSDs in RAID, I can't help but laugh a little at their predicament. Steadily decreasing performance on what for many is a $$$$+ invenstment must just be very annoying. Sometimes it's nice not being a paying beta tester for the cutting edge.

[Ao1]

Agreed, it’s not as if the writing was not on the wall a long time ago regarding trim support for raid. A larger capacity disk is by far the best way to go. The specs are higher, they no longer degrade and they are more likely to have a higher free space ratio, which also improves performance. Add to that quicker boot times and less chance of failure and it’s a no brainer.

[NoSoMo]

Here you go http://www.sendspace.com/file/s18k0z

You da man.....been looking for this, should have come to XS first!

[vakuum]

All the people that dropped huge coin to run multiple SSDs in RAID, I can't help but laugh a little at their predicament. Steadily decreasing performance on what for many is a $$$$+ invenstment must just be very annoying. Sometimes it's nice not being a paying beta tester for the cutting edge.

I feel that i belong in the same group as my 80GB G1 cost the same as a 160GB G2 and no love for me neither..

[Earzz]

Well i just ripped one of my G2's out my PC and im putting it up for sale later this weekend.
RAID is fun but (like already said) not really worth it, im gonna keep my other 80GB for a while and i will buy a 160GB later on when i need more space.

[chuckbam]

v1.4 http://chuckbam.com/i7_P6T-D/Drives/...HA88208850.ISO

http://chuckbam.com/i7_P6T-D/Drives/ssd/README.TXT

http://chuckbam.com/i7_P6T-D/Drives/...ool_guidelines

[Lu(ky]

Well i just ripped one of my G2's out my PC and im putting it up for sale later this weekend.
RAID is fun but (like already said) not really worth it, im gonna keep my other 80GB for a while and i will buy a 160GB later on when i need more space.

They said on AnandTech site there will be future raid TRIM with later FW updates.

[Speederlander]

They said on AnandTech site there will be future raid TRIM with later FW updates.

Problem is later updates could be many months or longer away, and given even single drives appear difficult and risky to get right consistently, I can only imagine that raid arrays with all their controller quirks and different combos involving parity and whatnot could put raid TRIM into gen 3 drives rather than the current crop. Keep in mind, that can't roll out RAID TRIM firmware updates or tools unless they are very confidant everything will work correctly. And given they can't even do that deadnuts on for drives running off their own chipsets and systems, imagine all the stuff they have to check with the various controllers, drivers, combinations, etc.

[chuckbam]

v1.4 has TRIM w/ 34nm. Intel pulled all FW updates off the website and replaced it with the tool.

[Earzz]

They said on AnandTech site there will be future raid TRIM with later FW updates.

Well i already sold one 80GB X25-M G2 and maybe tomorrow im gonna trade my other 80GB X25-M for a 160GB G2.
I really didnt want to wait for the support, im better of with a single drive tbh.

[Speederlander]

Well i already sold one 80GB X25-M G2 and maybe tomorrow im gonna trade my other 80GB X25-M for a 160GB G2.
I really didnt want to wait for the support, im better of with a single drive tbh.

Yup, best approach is a single larger drive. People with SSD RAID arrays prior to TRIM getting fully sorted out are throwing their money away IMO.

[chuckbam]

Yup, best approach is a single larger drive. People with SSD RAID arrays prior to TRIM getting fully sorted out are throwing their money away IMO.

With RAID you need to update each drive FW separate to have TRIM. Just the tool does not work in RAID.

Don't you guys know the TRIM FW was released?

The AnandTech artical is out dated.

http://www.dailytech.com/article.aspx?newsid=16638

[Speederlander]

With RAID you need to update each drive FW separate to have TRIM. Just the tool does not work in RAID.

Don't you guys know the TRIM FW was released?

The AnandTech artical is out dated.

http://www.dailytech.com/article.aspx?newsid=16638

Yes, we know the TRIM FW was released. As of current toolset, there is no fix for degradation of performance while in RAID. If you claim that the new tool/FW actually addresses this issue for RAIDed drives, that makes you the first to have the scoop. I would ask for you to post your source. I would be happy to be wrong but I'm fairly certain I am not.

[chuckbam]

Yes, we know the TRIM FW was released. As of current toolset, there is no fix for degradation of performance while in RAID. If you claim that the new tool/FW actually addresses this issue for RAIDed drives, that makes you the first to have the scoop. I would ask for you to post your source. I would be happy to be wrong but I'm fairly certain I am not.

I read it in the v1.4 FW release notes. Not knowing it would be pulled, I failed to save them.

What it said was, drives in RAID need to be updated one at a time

[chuckbam]

I read it in the v1.4 FW release notes. Not knowing it would be pulled, I failed to save them.

What it said was, drives in RAID need to be updated one at a time

You don't need the tool if you have the FW update.

[Speederlander]

I read it in the v1.4 FW release notes. Not knowing it would be pulled, I failed to save them.

What it said was, drives in RAID need to be updated one at a time

Yes, I am sure to update their firmware, which addressed more than just TRIM, they would need to be updated one at a time. But TRIM does not currently work in RAID. I'm sorry, it doesn't.

[Ao1]

With RAID you need to update each drive FW separate to have TRIM. Just the tool does not work in RAID.

Don't you guys know the TRIM FW was released?

The AnandTech artical is out dated.

http://www.dailytech.com/article.aspx?newsid=16638

Did you not read the subject line in this thread

AFAIK the stand alone TRIM function in the tool box will only work on drives with updated f/w and it will not work on ssd's in a raid array.

It could well be that if you have raid 0 you would be better off not updating the f/w, which has been optimised taking into account its ability to TRIM. In fact I suspect you would be better off with a G1 drive rather than a G2 drive if you are using raid 0.

TRIM support will come for raid, but when is another issue. Intel recommend you TRIM once a day so even if you could work out a way of splitting the array, trimming it and then rebuilding the array it would be way too much agro.

Regardless with or without TRIM raid 0 is of no real benefit for most users.

[Ced-G60]

Can I update the firmware of the G2 still ? Are those still bugged.

Should I just wait for a new release to use the TRIM feature ?

[Earzz]

Can I update the firmware of the G2 still ? Are those still bugged.

Should I just wait for a new release to use the TRIM feature ?

Just wait to be safe.

[Ced-G60]

Just wait to be safe.

Oki, thanks