flippin, eyefinity, while seemingly interesting doesn't matter to me as I run a 1080p plasma tv. I have no intention of buying 2 more for eyefinity, and even if I did it wouldn't work because eyefinity requires an active displayport for 3 monitors to work. Besides, I refuse to play with monitor borders interfering with my view.

Also, when did I say no games the 5870 can't handle... Most games an old 8800GTX can max out just fine, same with a 4850... That's why I said there's presently not much of a need to upgrade. DX11 presently only makes a difference in one title, being the lame "Battleforge" battle card monster game(avg review score of 7.3), and by the time the big one(AvP) comes out there, which will be february, both brands will have their cards on the table.

The only games the previous gen can't max out fine for the most part is Stalker: Clear Sky, Crysis, and ArmA2. Arma2 at my resolution drops down below 20 without even fully maxing out everything, S: clear sky averages at ~30fps maxed out with 4xAA at my resolution on a 5870(i.e. too low), and Crysis still isn't playable at my resolution with AA. Basically, the same things last gen can't do the 5870 can't do either, as such, what's the reason to buy a 5870? On top of that, ati's problem with dx10 and HDTV's.

Now, let's compare that to the G80 launch, where there was plenty of titles the previous gen couldn't max out at high resolution, and the 8800GTX had no problem being 2x+ faster than everything but the 7950GX2, which it STILL was always faster by a good margin. This was when oblivion was still a big title(and the G80 was at times 3x faster than the previous gen in said title). Now, compare that to the 5870 launch, where there's not much the last gen couldn't do that it can do....

See why I said waiting isn't an issue for most?