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    From the Anandtech article, what is this all about?
    The 5870 ended up being hot, noisy, and more power-hungry than any other single-GPU setup.
    That conflicts with basically every other review I have read.

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    AT seems to have gone off the deep end on video card reviews lately

    Hell they put the 9800GX2 as being faster than the GTX280 initially and we all know how that turned out

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    Quote Originally Posted by zerazax View Post
    Hell they put the 9800GX2 as being faster than the GTX280 initially and we all know how that turned out
    How did it turn out? 9800GX2 was faster than 280 @ launch...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dante80 View Post
    How did it turn out? 9800GX2 was faster than 280 @ launch...
    Two 8800 GTS faster then GTX 280


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    Quite impressive. I would have to say if you plan on buying 2 cards at once and only have a 1920x1080/1200 display that 5850s in CF are the way to go. I'd only seriously consider CF 5870s currently if using a 2560x1600 display ( or Eyefinity if that interests you )

    There is enough of a cpu bottleneck (that is it! throw out the Core i7s! ) with CF 5870s at 1920x1200 that 5850s don't seem to trail much.
    Here in Canada, its basically 30% more price for a 10-15% performance increase for single card (5850-5870) which often is the case with the highend ( 260/280 was even worse at launch ) I would have ordered a 5850 but I want to tough it out single card as long as I can as I had my share of multi gpu facepalms over the last 3 years to turn me off of the idea again, but I know ill eat my words eventually

    Should be good news for folks with single 285s that might want to go SLI soon as Nvidia will have to reduce 285 prices at this point ( provided ATIs new stock distribution method works ; eg weekly small shipments vs burst large volume shipments )
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    doubting it but anyone know if they are going to put out a 5850x2?
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    Too bad no review has tried to unlock the 2 missing SIMD arrays from 5850 yet, it would be awsome if it can be done.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Glow9 View Post
    doubting it but anyone know if they are going to put out a 5850x2?
    believe a 5870x2 and 5850x2 are planned for novemberish?
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    Quote Originally Posted by villa1n View Post
    believe a 5870x2 and 5850x2 are planned for novemberish?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Glow9 View Post
    Nice
    5870x2 + 5850x2 pics
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chickenfeed View Post
    Quite impressive. I would have to say if you plan on buying 2 cards at once and only have a 1920x1080/1200 display that 5850s in CF are the way to go. I'd only seriously consider CF 5870s currently if using a 2560x1600 display ( or Eyefinity if that interests you )

    There is enough of a cpu bottleneck (that is it! throw out the Core i7s! ) with CF 5870s at 1920x1200 that 5850s don't seem to trail much.
    Here in Canada, its basically 30% more price for a 10-15% performance increase for single card (5850-5870) which often is the case with the highend ( 260/280 was even worse at launch ) I would have ordered a 5850 but I want to tough it out single card as long as I can as I had my share of multi gpu facepalms over the last 3 years to turn me off of the idea again, but I know ill eat my words eventually

    Should be good news for folks with single 285s that might want to go SLI soon as Nvidia will have to reduce 285 prices at this point ( provided ATIs new stock distribution method works ; eg weekly small shipments vs burst large volume shipments )
    Yeah looking at these graphs, I'm so not enticed to upgrade at the moment. Nothing my X2 can't handle for now, or for the next year.
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    I'm not impressed. By the whole R8-series, that is. Undoubtedly future drivers will increase performance but one cannot expect miracles that would be required...
    I guess the architecture just doesn't scale properly over R7-series.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dante80 View Post
    Overclocks to 5870 perf easily
    Not so sure about that... Looks as if the regular 5850 doesn't have the necessary chip (VT1165MF) to allow voltage-tuning via software. The one made by ASUS might be the only 5850 to support that.

    Quote Originally Posted by largon View Post
    I'm not impressed. By the whole R8-series, that is. Undoubtedly future drivers will increase performance but one cannot expect miracles that would be required...
    I guess the architecture just doesn't scale properly over R7-series.
    What where you expecting? A perf-increase of 100 percent? I think RV870 is decent, but not groundshaking. Just what AMD has been telling for a couple of months... But yes, the next series should have a new architecture, it looks like this one has reached its border.
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    Quote Originally Posted by hurleybird View Post
    The point is that the 4890 should never be faster, and if you were to scale up a 4890 to the 5850's specs, it's looking like it would be faster than even the current 5870. Perfmance/watt is great, sure, but the performance just doesn't match the specs. Either the engineers totally screwed things up via an obscure bottleneck that makes the chip slower per SP/TMU/ROP than RV770, or the current drivers really suck. The second possibility sounds far more likely, and that's what I'm hoping for since I have a 5870
    A hint: triangle setup rate.
    It is same per clock for RV770 and Cypress.
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    Has anyone found frontside pics of 5850 with cooler removed?

    Btw, Guru3D has a pic of a "Radeon HD 5850 GPU wafer" on the bottom of one page in their review. In reality, it's a Deneb wafer.
    Last edited by largon; 09-30-2009 at 04:09 AM.
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    I still wonder why the 5870 needs to be that long, guess its only a matter of the cooling sollution.

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    Great scaling


    but i wana see one with a 4.2ghz oc or even more to see how fast theses cards really are.
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    Quote Originally Posted by hyperdoggy View Post
    Too bad no review has tried to unlock the 2 missing SIMD arrays from 5850 yet, it would be awsome if it can be done.
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    Quote Originally Posted by FischOderAal View Post
    Not so sure about that... Looks as if the regular 5850 doesn't have the necessary chip (VT1165MF) to allow voltage-tuning via software. The one made by ASUS might be the only 5850 to support that.
    In the guru3D review they overclocked the 5850 trough rivatuner . And it surely wasn't an Asus brand . So i am not sure where you got your information from .
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    Quote Originally Posted by jaredpace View Post
    It can be done
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    Quote Originally Posted by jaredpace View Post
    It can be done

    who sais ? any proof ? link ?


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    well to be fair he did only goto 820 on the core, and supposedly the memory is .4ns 5gbps saumsung anyway, so going from 4000 to 5000mhz only puts it at stock. If there is/isn't a volterra, then it probably didn't matter as it's likely hilbert didn't need extra voltage for what he did.
    If he had it at 950/1250+, then he probably needed voltage.

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    yeh in theory it should overclock to same level as its big brother as its the same gpu i think on the 5850 the stock voltage is slightly lower than on the 5870 thats why it tops out at 800ish on stock volts but once the the volt altering software is available it should be a different story





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    Quote Originally Posted by jaredpace View Post
    well to be fair he did only goto 820 on the core, and supposedly the memory is .4ns 5gbps saumsung anyway, so going from 4000 to 5000mhz only puts it at stock. If there is/isn't a volterra, then it probably didn't matter as it's likely hilbert didn't need extra voltage for what he did.
    If he had it at 950/1250+, then he probably needed voltage.

    the simd unlock it's coming....
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    True, BUT also the 5850 need to lower clocks and voltages when it's idle .
    They need a chip to do this . Then why would they use different ones on the5870 models ? that just doesn't make sense .


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    Quote Originally Posted by jaredpace View Post
    that be interesting to find out if it works well....
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