Forum Vs Naplam - Fasted real world storage solution

[NapalmV5]

exactly and what better/faster controller @ that for sata2 drives ??

for sata2 drives theres still nothing better/faster than 1231/1261/1280.. be it raid 0/5/6

or wait till sata3 controllers are out if you go sata3 drives @ raid 5/6 or 0

[NapalmV5]

the lsi guys claim/think/believe they are kings

the ich guys claim/think/believe they are kings

the acard guys claim/think/believe they are kings

the ramdisk guys claim/think/believe the are kings

ignorance ^ truly is bliss lol


i never claimed such.. never claimed awesomeness.. ive only claimed the 1231 to be the king of controllers and to this day still is

what/who i am and what i do is simple.. i napalm king arses with a 1231 a 512mb cache and 4x jmicron freakin jmicron!! not really my intention and you guys brought it upon yourselves

you havent seen anything yet from napalm im just getting warmed up!

[Griff805]

These guys really take this stuff personally, don't they Napalm? I don't see why everyone is attacking you, you're just throwin the numbers up and having fun. Seems like the other guys are getting pissed.. Oh well-

[XS Janus]

LOL!
The war is on!
hahahaha

[GameGuru]

Holy ST Balls man, just came across this thread, those are some insane numbers, may I ask about how much you have total invested in the cards and such?

[NapalmV5]

These guys really take this stuff personally, don't they Napalm? I don't see why everyone is attacking you, you're just throwin the numbers up and having fun. Seems like the other guys are getting pissed.. Oh well-

i only throw up numbers the system throws up at me.. and yes im trying to have fun while at it (mft results).. but it gets personal with everyone

yeh theyre getting pissed! cause even their sandforce ssd cant keep up

btw why/how come youre being nice to me griff ??

[NapalmV5]

LOL!
The war is on!
hahahaha

you embedded/posted vid @ pcekspert ? lol

[NapalmV5]

Holy ST Balls man, just came across this thread, those are some insane numbers, may I ask about how much you have total invested in the cards and such?

well 1231:800$ 4x slc jmicron:1000$ exactly a year ago

[Griff805]

i only throw up numbers the system throws up at me.. and yes im trying to have fun while at it (mft results).. but it gets personal with everyone

yeh theyre getting pissed! cause even their sandforce ssd cant keep up

btw why/how come youre being nice to me griff ??

I don't really remember being a jerk to you, other than when I thought maybe your pride was kicking in a bit too heavy

I think you may have interpreted one of my posts a ways as an attack rather than just a sincere inquiry.

[XS Janus]

On PCexpert?
I haven't embedded it there. Do you have a link?
I have almost forgotten about that page.

[NapalmV5]

I don't really remember being a jerk to you, other than when I thought maybe your pride was kicking in a bit too heavy

I think you may have interpreted one of my posts a ways as an attack rather than just a sincere inquiry.

pride is the root of all evil.. prides been my enemy and will be till the end.. just because im joking/kidding around dont mean my pride is kicking in at all.. though i get a kick out of napalming those full of pride and having a bit of fun at it.. i do know that no matter how fast i get someone else always is/will be faster.. and i look at every aspect of my life that way

truly sincere inquiry? my response is just as sincere.. alright griff all cool

[NapalmV5]

On PCexpert?
I haven't embedded it there. Do you have a link?
I have almost forgotten about that page.

lol i noticed that @ youtube insight (discovery) theres no link to the embedded vid just the forum http://forum.pcekspert.com/

[AceNZ]

Well, two months have passed. Is there anything new out there yet that improves on the 1231ML + X25-E combo?

Seems like some of the recent ICH10R benches look better than the 1231ML. What's the deal with that?

[Computurd]

there is many different platforms that can outperform that combo, or be very very close, at much better pricepoints as well

[AceNZ]

there is many different platforms that can outperform that combo, or be very very close, at much better pricepoints as well

Such as?

[SteveRo]

OK so my take on this.
Assuming we are talking all around general workstation and Raid 0 performance (as measured by pcmark vantage for example) -
1. If Areca 1231ML-4GB and 4 Intel x25e is 100% performance then -
2. LSI 9260-8i and 4 vertex 30GB (or vertex turbo) is 95%+
3. LSI 9211-8i and 4 vertex is 90-95%+
Substituting Intel X25m's for the vertex might be a little faster - but also more expensive (30 going to 80GB).
The Kingston 40GB might also be an option to consider.
The LSI cards are also more future proof (pcie 2.0).

Now lets compare cost - how much do you want to spend for that last 5% of performance? -
1. (from above) 1K+1.5K=2.5K$
2. 490+520=1010$
3. 240+520=760$
You will pay a heavy premium for less than 5-10% increase - my opinion.

[Anvil]

SteveRo,

I would wait for the new Vertex 2 (SandForce) or Micron C300 SSD's, they're just around the corner.

[jcool]

Option 3 sounds sweet to me, especially since the 9211-4 is so cheap (4x C300 is enough for me speed-wise )
Anybody know the bootup init time for those LSIs? If below 15s I might just ditch the ICH10R

[One_Hertz]

Napalm has JMicron SLC drives, not X25-Es.

[AceNZ]

OK so my take on this.
Assuming we are talking all around general workstation and Raid 0 performance (as measured by pcmark vantage for example) -
1. If Areca 1231ML-4GB and 4 Intel x25e is 100% performance then -
2. LSI 9260-8i and 4 vertex 30GB (or vertex turbo) is 95%+
3. LSI 9211-8i and 4 vertex is 90-95%+
Substituting Intel X25m's for the vertex might be a little faster - but also more expensive (30 going to 80GB).
The Kingston 40GB might also be an option to consider.
The LSI cards are also more future proof (pcie 2.0).

Now lets compare cost - how much do you want to spend for that last 5% of performance? -
1. (from above) 1K+1.5K=2.5K$
2. 490+520=1010$
3. 240+520=760$
You will pay a heavy premium for less than 5-10% increase - my opinion.

Interesting. Are you talking about large block / sequential access or random I/O, or both?

How does the X25-V compare to the Vertex?

I like to look at configs from a constant-dollar perspective. Let's say I have $5K to spend on an SSD disk subsystem. What's the fastest setup (maybe one config that's bootable and one that isn't)?

I know 4 drives saturate the 1231ML. Is the same thing true for the LSI cards? Or can they handle more?

Napalm has JMicron SLC drives, not X25-Es.

True. But he also said he thought the X25-E would be faster than what he has.

[Computurd]

there isnt a aaray out there that has saturated the 9260 that i have seen. the only way would be via a 6gb/s expander. there isnt even one on the market yet (coming very soon)
you are speaking of a controller that has 2.8 gb/s sequential speed potential and 1.8 write

[AceNZ]

there isnt a aaray out there that has saturated the 9260 that i have seen. the only way would be via a 6gb/s expander. there isnt even one on the market yet (coming very soon)

Are you thinking about something like the HP SAS expander?

http://h10057.www1.hp.com/ecomcat/hp...468406-B21.htm

The documentation on it is poor, but it is a 6gbps expander that's based on the PMC-Sierra chip.

you are speaking of a controller that has 2.8 gb/s sequential speed potential and 1.8 write

What about small block IOPS?

[Anvil]

AceNZ,

The question is, how many iops do you need or are you just looking for bandwidth or both?
I find the 9260 to be a good allround performer, for iops it's not in the same league as the Areca 1231ML , Areca 1680, LSI 9211 series though.
In fact ICH is a better iops performer than all of these at qd >8 using small blocks but as you know limited on bandwidth.

The X25-V is an excellent iops performer but writes are limited to ~45MB/s.

This chart shows 4K random iops @ QD 64 so it doesn't tell the full story. (most drives in this chart are HDDerased, so it would be its peak performance)


Visit the Measuring QD in win7 thread Link where I have compiled a few charts showing 4K random iops.

[Computurd]

you have to be very careful of asessing the performance of any drive or storage subsystem if you aree simply using 4k as the yardstick. 4k speeds do not have NEAR the impact on performance that it is made out to be. you can have a device with low 4k random (9260) literally smoke a device with TRIPLE the amount of 4k (9211) performance, yet the slower 4k performer wins with regular tasks. and yes, cache off.

[Anvil]

Computurd,

Thats why I said I find the 9260 to be a good allround performer.
I'm very much satisfied by the 9260-8i and yet it doesn't do well in most iometer tests at lower block sizes.

4K random is just a popular test size and one should of course look at other benchmarks and test sizes before making a decision.