HD5870 and HD5850 Reviews

[Chumbucket843]

3 5870's.
http://translate.googleusercontent.c...xXiS0SbBjKSmWw

[onethreehill]

AMD Radeon HD 5870 Video Card Overclocking
http://www.legitreviews.com/article/1090/1/

[GLENBOY]

thanks for posting the thread OTH, you always start decent threads , interesting re amd gpu clock tool, yes the ati overdrive goes blank when you exceed the ati overdrive max clocks which i think on reference is 900mhz so once they went above 900 the ati overdrive is blank same as on the 4890's , lets hope wizzard gets the techpowerup gputool up and running on the 5800 series as it worked flawlessly for me with 3 x 4890s in crossfire, and adjusting voltage up to 1.45 volts was straight forward using the techpowerup gpu tool on the 4890's and accordingly the 5800 seies are good for over 1000 on core with a voltage increase

[lockee]

The techpowerup review has tons of numbers with 5870s and 5850s in crossfire.

But I'm always baffled by W1zzard listing no CUDA and PhysX as cons for ATI cards. Perhaps Nvidia cards get no ATI Stream support listed as their cons?

[W1zzard]

The techpowerup review has tons of numbers with 5870s and 5850s in crossfire.

But I'm always baffled by W1zzard listing no CUDA and PhysX as cons for ATI cards. Perhaps Nvidia cards get no ATI Stream support listed as their cons?

good that that is your only concern with the reviews

[Newblar]

The techpowerup review has tons of numbers with 5870s and 5850s in crossfire.

But I'm always baffled by W1zzard listing no CUDA and PhysX as cons for ATI cards. Perhaps Nvidia cards get no ATI Stream support listed as their cons?

this has confused me as well
shouldnt they put no havok, open cl support on nvidia card reviews?

[W1zzard]

if nv doesnt support opencl then they'll get "no opencl support". opencl isnt even out yet
a lot of people at universities use cuda for their crunching because it's the only thing that works and is cross platform
physx is part of a few titles like batman, might matter for some people
nv will get "no dx 11" on their cards even though there is zero use for it today

[Kai Robinson]

Thats not a 'con' as such - thats stating the flaming obvious - we KNOW that ATI doesn't do PhysX or CUDA, and we KNOW that nVidia doesnt do OpenCL or Eyefinity.

It's just nit picking for the sake of it.

[W1zzard]

Thats not a 'con' as such - thats stating the flaming obvious - we KNOW that ATI doesn't do PhysX or CUDA, and we KNOW that nVidia doesnt do OpenCL or Eyefinity.

It's just nit picking for the sake of it.

YOU know, I know, half this forum knows, but 99.98% of the population don't. and btw, nvidia DOES opencl

[onethreehill]

@GLENBOY
You are welcome

AMD laat ATI HD 5870 met DirectX 11 los
http://tweakers.net/reviews/1390/amd...tx-11-los.html

[flopper]

My sister, her 3 kids her housband, has no idea what the difference is.
Just a typical average buyer, never know what they actually get and what the cards can do.

[Jamesrt2004]

The Average Joe type of buyer knows nothing and is easy pray for the marketing scams. If I could, I would make marketing illegal, politics as well

Heck, most people still think memory is the performance determining factor, cuz all they know is that 1024MB is more than 512MB, most people are clueless about texture units and shaders, let alone more complex features. Not to mention how easily people are impressed by cheap marketing gimmicks.

yeah i got told my 4870 512 was slower then my friends 9600gt 1gb

[purecain]

Does anyone know when the HD 5870 2GB will be out ?

yeah its the hd5870six which has 2gb gddr5.......

as far as i know thats going to be the first model of 5870 with 2gb...

i'm waiting for that one, its out in october....

[DilTech]

this has confused me as well
shouldnt they put no havok, open cl support on nvidia card reviews?

Obviously he does need to put this on reviews, because people are more confused than they seem...Yourself included.

NVidia supports OpenCL... Much like OpenGL and OpenAL it's an open standard. If it didn't support NVidia hardware just because it was NVidia hardware when it's perfectly capable of doing the work, then it wouldn't be an open standard and as such wouldn't be part of the Open Library family.

Havok is 100% software based, and ever since Intel bought havok we haven't heard a THING about havok FX. By this point, we all may as well consider it canceled or shelved. HavokFX was slated to be able to run on both NVidia and ATi cards, and as such you couldn't use it as a con for NVidia.

Of course, considering intel bought Havok during the days that intel was trying to tell gamers that cpu meant more than gpu(funny how that panned out, no?) it's pretty much common knowledge that havok fx will never see the light of day. To this day, not a single game has ever used Havok FX.

Now, the reason why lack of cuda and physx support are cons for ATi is because both are used in the industry. Maybe not as widely used as they could be, but they ARE used none the less. As such, a lack of support for those features is still a con

[AbelJemka]

So he needs to put lack of ATI Stream in Nvidia card reviews because it use in the industry

[villa1n]

yeah i got told my 4870 512 was slower then my friends 9600gt 1gb

of course it is, it has half the ram, and is 4730 levels lower!

[Chickenfeed]

The Average Joe type of buyer knows nothing and is easy pray for the marketing scams. If I could, I would make marketing illegal, politics as well

Heck, most people still think memory is the performance determining factor, cuz all they know is that 1024MB is more than 512MB, most people are clueless about texture units and shaders, let alone more complex features. Not to mention how easily people are impressed by cheap marketing gimmicks.

Couldn't agree more. I had a fun "argument" with a customer once about their 8500GT 1GB being the hot stuff and how that by suggesting he purchase a 512MB ATI product instead (HD 4770 ;the best and fastest card we carried at the time ) that I was as informed and intelligent as a cave hermit. I believe I was told by him that ATI cards licked his balls.... These kind of people never cease to crack me up.

Anyone who takes the time to become informed however usually has a fair understanding of all the terms thrown up in the air and whats relevant and whats not. (eg showing Crysis as a game example on the box of a low end gpu ; That is correct Sir! That there 8500GT will "pwnzor" Crysis hardcores because it has 1337GBs of 128bit GDDR2s and they show epic screen shots of it on the back of the box! "

[ihatbs]

Wow, the HD5870 is cheaper than 295 and performs almost the same.
Sadly I won't be able to upgrade since I need to replace my current rig with better hardware.

HD5870 will be bottlenecked by the q6600@3.4 ? isn't it ?

[Jamesrt2004]

of course it is, it has half the ram, and is 4730 levels lower!

thats what he said too

[DilTech]

Wow, the HD5870 is cheaper than 295 and performs almost the same.
Sadly I won't be able to upgrade since I need to replace my current rig with better hardware.

HD5870 will be bottlenecked by the q6600@3.4 ? isn't it ?

There isn't a game out right now that the Q6600 can't keep up with the 5870 once the rez and AA are turned on when it comes to staying above your monitors refresh rate...

Seriously...

The Q6 series, Q9 series, and AMD Phenom II's are all FINE for gaming. You don't need an i7 to play games just because it's the fastest thing out there.

[Lightman]

There isn't a game out right now that the Q6600 can't keep up with the 5870 once the rez and AA are turned on when it comes to staying above your monitors refresh rate...

Seriously...

The Q6 series, Q9 series, and AMD Phenom II's are all FINE for gaming. You don't need an i7 to play games just because it's the fastest thing out there.

+1

Very well said!

1920x1200 and the games are becoming GPU limited or are running way above 60FPS.

The only game you will need i7 or PhII on LN2 for is 3DMark06/05

My Phenom copes well with HD5870, really pleased so far, especially coming from HD4870CF 512MB!

[DilTech]

So many people on here always seem to forget that Light...

From personal experience, I can say the Q6600 as low as 3.2ghz, or a phenom at 3.2-3.6 play games perfectly fine. Sure, I'm not playing with a 5870, but fact is if you want an idea of if the cpu will bottleneck you too far drop the resolution as far as it will possibly go with no AA/AF and see if the framerate is to low for you... If it's not, then your cpu isn't going to hold you back.

That is, assuming you have a card that can reach your cpu's limit of course... Obviously if you're trying crysis and you have an HD2900 you're still not going anywhere near what your cpu is capable of.

According to testing with the GTX 295 and cpu scaling, the only game that scaled more than like 2-4 fps at high resolution was UT3, and it was STILL over 100fps on all the quads IIRC. Only the old school A64x2's had issues staying when it came to this.

[Revv23]

So many people on here always seem to forget that Light...

From personal experience, I can say the Q6600 as low as 3.2ghz, or a phenom at 3.2-3.6 play games perfectly fine. Sure, I'm not playing with a 5870, but fact is if you want an idea of if the cpu will bottleneck you too far drop the resolution as far as it will possibly go with no AA/AF and see if the framerate is to low for you... If it's not, then your cpu isn't going to hold you back.

That is, assuming you have a card that can reach your cpu's limit of course... Obviously if you're trying crysis and you have an HD2900 you're still not going anywhere near what your cpu is capable of.

According to testing with the GTX 295 and cpu scaling, the only game that scaled more than like 2-4 fps at high resolution was UT3, and it was STILL over 100fps on all the quads IIRC. Only the old school A64x2's had issues staying when it came to this.

I think you guys are still kind of high... a core 2 around 2.6ghz is enough to handle a lot... but why run a core 2 under 3ghz?

[DilTech]

The point of it all was just that there's no need for someone with a Q6600 at 3.4 to upgrade to an i7 just to buy a 5870.

Fact is, any of those 3 processor series are still fine and dandy for gaming. I know I have no intention of upgrading from my q6600 any time soon.

[onethreehill]

AMD Demos Dual Cypress Graphics Card - Hemlock
http://vr-zone.com/articles/amd-demo....html?doc=7718