The ATI Radeon 5XXX Thread

[Chad Boga]

Cost / deskspace - I don't see how this would be too much of an issue. People who can accord luxuries will buy into this, people who won't will still be buying budget cards with 15" LCDs.

F#%K all people who before Eyefinity became available and were happy on one monitor will now be buying 3 monitors.

Just because there will be some tiny percent who do, doesn't mean that pointing out how irrelevant Eyefinity will be to 99% of users is not accurate.

Also your strange attempt to segment the market into Eyefinity multi-monitor buyers and 15 LCD buyers is ridiculous.

If the 5870 offers the same price/performance benefit over the GT300 that the 4870 did to the GT200, then that is likely my next card, but no way in hell will I be wasting my time on that marketing gimmick now known as Eyefinity.

Power consumption: Seriously?

3 monitors vs 1, yep.

Bezel space: You choose an odd x odd grid of monitors so your center piece is a monitor and not a bezel. Simple enough?

LOL. No. I don't waste my money to be slave to the technology. It has to be compelling to me, not the other way around.

[purefun65]

F#%K all people who before Eyefinity became available and were happy on one monitor will now be buying 3 monitors.

Just because there will be some tiny percent who do, doesn't mean that pointing out how irrelevant Eyefinity will be to 99% of users is not accurate.

Also your strange attempt to segment the market into Eyefinity multi-monitor buyers and 15 LCD buyers is ridiculous.

If the 5870 offers the same price/performance benefit over the GT300 that the 4870 did to the GT200, then that is likely my next card, but no way in hell will I be wasting my time on that marketing gimmick now known as Eyefinity.


3 monitors vs 1, yep. LOL. No. I don't waste my money to be slave to the technology. It has to be compelling to me, not the other way around.

You need to take a time out! THIS IS NOT STRICTLY FOR GAMING!

[cegras]

F#%K all people who before Eyefinity became available and were happy on one monitor will now be buying 3 monitors.

Just because there will be some tiny percent who do, doesn't mean that pointing out how irrelevant Eyefinity will be to 99% of users is not accurate.

Also your strange attempt to segment the market into Eyefinity multi-monitor buyers and 15 LCD buyers is ridiculous.

If the 5870 offers the same price/performance benefit over the GT300 that the 4870 did to the GT200, then that is likely my next card, but no way in hell will I be wasting my time on that marketing gimmick now known as Eyefinity.


3 monitors vs 1, yep.


LOL. No. I don't waste my money to be slave to the technology. It has to be compelling to me, not the other way around.

We can speculate all we want. All I can do is point out the possibility that the judgement you're so sure of is wrong.

However, knowing your history, it would be pointless of me to try and debate semantics with you, as arguments with you frequently degenerate to.

[zerazax]

F#%K all people who before Eyefinity became available and were happy on one monitor will now be buying 3 monitors.

Just because there will be some tiny percent who do, doesn't mean that pointing out how irrelevant Eyefinity will be to 99% of users is not accurate.

Also your strange attempt to segment the market into Eyefinity multi-monitor buyers and 15 LCD buyers is ridiculous.

If the 5870 offers the same price/performance benefit over the GT300 that the 4870 did to the GT200, then that is likely my next card, but no way in hell will I be wasting my time on that marketing gimmick now known as Eyefinity.


3 monitors vs 1, yep.


LOL. No. I don't waste my money to be slave to the technology. It has to be compelling to me, not the other way around.

I can't believe it. People here are actually MAD about a technology that is OPTIONAL for them? It's an added bonus that you dont have to worry one damn bit about

Some people seriously take their technology too personally

[annihilat0r]

Some of you are really pathetic. This is a nice technology, a bonus, that makes you be able to play games on 3 combined monitors. Why do you have to go mad about this as if AMD is basing their entire 5xxx marketing upon Eyefinity? It was announced just f'king YESTERDAY and here you are talking about "marketing gimmick" when AMD didn't even have any time to be really marketing this technology.

It enables you to play at 3 monitors at amazing resolutions. It's something cool. Nobody forces you to buy 3 or 6 monitors if you want a 5xxx card which INCIDENTALLY will probably be amazingly fast one. Now shut the hell up.

[Oberon]

Well perhaps we can appoint you as Mr Eyefinity and you can let us all know when issues like cost, deskspace, power consumption, minimum framerates, 20 to 30mm combined bezel space, driver issues are no longer things we need to worry about and that Eyefinity will stop being a near worthless gimmick for 99% of users.


Perhaps you should spend a bit of time rereading what you post?



I suspect there are more nobel crusade's one could dedicate themselves to.

Can you go crap on some other thread? Thanks.

I for one think the technology is really cool, even if I can't personally afford it (yet ). It's also a good way to show off the raw power of the silicon in lieu of any really demanding software that average joe can actually get his hands on.

[cegras]

Just to quote some 'facts' (since I'm sure people will question the validity):

Eyefinity transparently handles the combinations of monitors as one virtual monitor.

They allow economical stacking of monitors instead of paying exponentially for more space. The human eye is more responsive to horizontal versus vertical change, and if using an odd x odd grid of monitors, bezels at the edge of your vision will vanish with play, as it has been proven that static objects at your periphery disappear over time.

http://www.silentpcreview.com/article746-page3.html

A 19" monitor consumes under 30 watts. Adding two more will make the total consumption ~90W. I'm not sure how this is significant. A 30" Dell consumes:

http://support.dell.com/support/edoc...P/EN/about.htm

147 W.

HM.

Also, let us not forget progress towards LED backlit LCDs as well as OLEDs.

Furthermore, there is no reason to enable AA / AF at such high resolutions. If I recall the rationale correctly, the higher the resolution you go, the less image smoothing you need. This is why Left4Dead is playable at 11 megapixels.

[purefun65]

@ chad boga I believe you need a vacation from this thread! member since 2004 and you are the first I reported! Lived through nnstep and some others but time for you to go!

[To(V)bo Co(V)bo]

I agree, Its not like you get to use only 500 shaders per monitor, but if you use two monitors you get 1000 to use. 1600 shaders only for full eyefinity users, sorry guys.

If eyefinity bothers you so much, how about you just wait for ATI to make you a 5870 without it?

Guys I really think its a waste to use newer 5gbs GDDR5, we should tell them to put back the 4gbs GDDR5 ram back on it because it works just as good.

We now have options for multi displays weve never had, shure its new, but Im shure its gonna catch on sooner than later. Now we just need some cheap bezel less monitors. You can always upgrade in baby steps, buying monitors when you can. You dont have to go buy three right away. You can grab 3 acer 23" 1080 monitors for what 450$ now.


Whats really nice about these new cards is all the horsepower. Just think of all the physics processing these can do without hurting FPS performance. It is now possible to add major effects that can all be used with only a single gpu. All we need to do is burn physx, and embrace DX compute or openCL. Im sure there is plenty of power for phyisics and wicked fast frames.

[Chad Boga]

@ chad boga I believe you need a vacation from this thread! member since 2004 and you are the first I reported! Lived through nnstep and some others but time for you to go!

And what have you reported me for? Being unimpressed by Eyefinity and thinking it is a gimmick?

Oh my, what a crime.

I forgot that everytime a company introduces a new feature, we need to bow down before it and proclaim it as the greatest thing since sliced bread.

[LC_Nab]

All we need to pray now for game makers for them not to encode the game specially for nvidia , since Ive seen so many tittles that are nvida enconded and some games dont support Ati's Anti- Aliasing . So lets pray they are enlighten xD .

And chad man cool off ,its a forum to exchange ideas with peace and intellect . I mean come on .

[Chad Boga]

And chad man cool off ,its a forum to exchange ideas with peace and intellect . I mean come on .

My idea is that Eyefinity is little more than a pointless gimmick, why are some so keen to suppress this idea?

If by exchange ideas you simply mean that we can only say positive things about new features, then I think your idea of "exchange" is not all it could be.

[purefun65]

F#%K all people who before Eyefinity became available and were happy on one monitor will now be buying 3 monitors.

Just because there will be some tiny percent who do, doesn't mean that pointing out how irrelevant Eyefinity will be to 99% of users is not accurate.

Also your strange attempt to segment the market into Eyefinity multi-monitor buyers and 15 LCD buyers is ridiculous.

If the 5870 offers the same price/performance benefit over the GT300 that the 4870 did to the GT200, then that is likely my next card, but no way in hell will I be wasting my time on that marketing gimmick now known as Eyefinity.


3 monitors vs 1, yep.


LOL. No. I don't waste my money to be slave to the technology. It has to be compelling to me, not the other way around.

And what have you reported me for? Being unimpressed by Eyefinity and thinking it is a gimmick?

Oh my, what a crime.

I forgot that everytime a company introduces a new feature, we need to bow down before it and proclaim it as the greatest thing since sliced bread.

As being a ceo. We who are in the the loop listen to and sometimes laugh at our consumers, who spout rhetetoric!

[LC_Nab]

Um means no need to say such words about people and get aggravated by it . All positive and negative are welcomed , just cool your tongue before posting . Thats all .

[Solus Corvus]

My idea is that Eyefinity is little more than a pointless gimmick, why are some so keen to suppress this idea?

It's not a gimmick if some users actually find it useful. So what if only 0.00001% of the community uses the feature - it still has a use.

[To(V)bo Co(V)bo]

My idea is that Eyefinity is little more than a pointless gimmick, why are some so keen to suppress this idea?

If by exchange ideas you simply mean that we can only say positive things about new features, then I think your idea of "exchange" is not all it could be.

Dont worry chad, Its ok. Im not mad at you. You can still come over and play on my triple headed dragon setup and play call of duty.

[Chad Boga]

It's not a gimmick if some users actually find it useful. So what if only 0.00001% of the community uses the feature - it still has a use.

Yeah that is fine, but people shouldn't then be trying to portray this as something that will have significant impact upon a sizeable minority.

I'm trying to keep things in perspective here, not just fawn and gush.

Dont worry chad, Its ok. Im not mad at you. You can still come over and play on my triple headed dragon setup and play call of duty.

Thanks.

[ajaidev]

And what have you reported me for? Being unimpressed by Eyefinity and thinking it is a gimmick?

Oh my, what a crime.

I forgot that everytime a company introduces a new feature, we need to bow down before it and proclaim it as the greatest thing since sliced bread.

I agree with you that several people will not use the tech. but for the people who do use it would be quite a different experience. I have played flight sim's on Matrox TripleHead's "at a office conformance room" and it was pretty neat.

Other than that you can surf online 3 pages at once . But thats not the crown jewel some people love their older games "like farcry 1,quake 3, doom 3, etc" and even playing those at such high resolutions would be quite exciting. I have 2 old crt's which are 15 inch each and a LCD which is 19 inch's. CRT's work good with several resolutions and using the LCD as the central display puts things into prospective.

BTW Con-grads i think u have been quoted the most in this thread

[Chad Boga]

BTW Con-grads i think u have been quoted the most in this thread

Certainly not a goal I had set for myself.

[cegras]

So much for all the effort I put into constructive debate. : (

[Solus Corvus]

Yeah that is fine, but people shouldn't then be trying to portray this as something that will have significant impact upon a sizeable minority.

I'm trying to keep things in perspective here, not just fawn and gush.

I agree that some people's reaction to the tech is kind of odd. But they have to fawn and gush over something since they don't have much in the way of benchmarks to gush over.

But personally I may find it quite useful and I hope NV introduces the feature as well. Quite a long time ago I used to have quite a few large monitors sitting around. But got rid of them because of videocard limitations on multi-monitors. I'm glad to see that video card manufacturers are increasing the number and ways that you can utilize monitors with their cards. Flexibility is a good thing.

You may think it's useless and wasteful, but personally I would love to game on 4 projectors in a QuadHD configuration.

[Chad Boga]

So much for all the effort I put into constructive debate. : (

Why do you say that?

Just because you didn't sway me doesn't mean you had no influence on others.

At the end of the day, you can't be expecting to convince everyone, but as long as you have your say and people accept that they will agree to disagree, then what is the problem?

[To(V)bo Co(V)bo]

So would would you say physx is a gimmick? cause I know its the most neeto thing ever! I can litterly use folding with my level 30 mage on wow and cast some crazy spells. I wish everything would fold with 60fps.

I had to buy a new motherboard and cpu so I was physx ready. Whew, Im glad Im ready now.

Just wondering? when will physx be ready.

[Xope_Poquar]

I wish Ruby had less testosterone.

[Chad Boga]

So would would you say physx is a gimmick? cause I know its the most neeto thing ever! I can litterly use folding with my level 30 mage on wow and cast some crazy spells. I wish everything would fold with 60fps.

In comparing Physx to Eyefinity, as I am in the market for a new video card, I could buy either next gen Nvidia or next gen ATI based on which card I am more impressed by, and I would get which ever feature free at no cost.

However to take advantage of Eyefinity, I need to buy extra monitors, have the extra deskspace(no small consideration by the way), and then find games that wouldn't suffer slow down at these high resolutions(and that I would want to play).

No doubt Nvidia will implement their own version of Eyefinity if not in the GT300 series, then their next series, so at least it will disappear as a talking point about advantages.

As for Physics in games, I get the feeling that Physx is unlikely to triumph, as something that will run potentially equally well on either maker's cards will need to surface for everyone to get behind it.