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    i am going to start a thank you gautam thread in the thank you section.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hornet331 View Post
    Btw. i anyone know something about idle consumption (power play)?
    The power of this card stays at 180W while in idle the power drops down to 27W, three times less than the 90W on 4870.
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    Wow, look at the dates, this particular 2gb 5870 "six" (trillian) board has been around since july. heh.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hornet331 View Post
    Indeed, so much topics concerning the same theme was kinda annyoing.

    Btw. i anyone know something about idle consumption (power play)?
    Supposedly around 20-30w idle.
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    Once the government outlaws your guns your life is forfeit. You're already dead, it's just a question of when they are going to get around to you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jaredpace View Post
    Wow, look at the dates, this particular 2gb 5870 "six" (trillian) board has been around since july. heh.

    http://www.wsgfmedia.com/generaladmi...setup-card.jpg
    http://www.wsgfmedia.com/generaladmi...HDTV-card2.jpg

    Hopefully this is a sign that drivers will be relatively mature come launch. It looks like ATi have been planning this card for taking back the performance crown. IMHO the HD4800 series was ATi's comeback! This is going to be their encore!
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    Why are they still making 1Gb parts? Should leave 1Gb for for 5850...
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    Quote Originally Posted by zalbard View Post
    Why are they still making 1Gb parts? Should leave 1Gb for for 5850...
    I agree

    For me 1GB is the new 512MB and 2GB is the new 1GB. It's surprising just how many games DO benefit from the extra VRAM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hornet331 View Post
    Indeed, so much topics concerning the same theme was kinda annyoing.

    Btw. i anyone know something about idle consumption (power play)?

    From official AMD slides from the closed threads, it's 27 Watts.




    I wish Gautam had let this http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?p=4007933#post4007933 open instead of this one. Oh well, rain in the pictures again guys.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JohnZS View Post
    I agree

    For me 1GB is the new 512MB and 2GB is the new 1GB. It's surprising just how many games DO benefit from the extra VRAM.
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    pretty low score, why not higher? kingpin gets 40k in 3dmark05 and 33k in 06 and 32k in vantage performance...

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    Doing a bit of a shameless threadjack am I the only person here relishing what Magic Sapphire will pull out of their hats with the VaporX and Atomic version's of the HD5870? WILL we see 3 Terraflops and 2GB with a cool and quiet cooling solution?
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    Quote Originally Posted by cegras View Post
    Yeah, totally, I mean, let's be critical of a product we haven't even had a chance to test when all the people who have laid their hands on it have said it's awesome ([H], Anand, etc).
    Let's hope they're right. In the mean time, is it so unreasonable for people with first-hand experience to have skepticism when history hasn't always shown the driver side of things to be all that pleasant? I mean you make it sound like any negative opinion is irrelevant. This isn't just a question of monitor support, it's in some portion a question of Crossfire support, which wasn't covered by those editors.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hornet331 View Post
    Wont happen in multiplayer games, its cause a high POV usually gives you certain advantages, depending on the game.
    In HL1/2 a high FOV practically negates bobbing and also makes recoil far better controllable. Thats why most HL1/2 games have hardlocked fov to <=90°C. Same goes for Q3A.

    Also a big are is not always an advantage, especial in fps. It might look cool but thats all -> Foveal vision>>Peripheral Vision
    It's strange. Since so few will be using this feature this couldn't possible be a problem. Besides, the slides says that HL2 is compatible with Eyefinity and I'm assuming this means extended FOV and not just increased resolution since three screens would make it look absolutely ridiculous.

    And yeah, foveal vision is much better than peripheral vision. But somehow I still think my peripheral vision has saved my ass more than once. The greatest experience would probably be Eyefinity (or rather extended FOV) combined with TrackIR...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cybercat View Post
    Let's hope they're right. In the mean time, is it so unreasonable for people with first-hand experience to have skepticism when history hasn't always shown the driver side of things to be all that pleasant? I mean you make it sound like any negative opinion is irrelevant. This isn't just a question of monitor support, it's in some portion a question of Crossfire support, which wasn't covered by those editors.
    You can only account for history when there are indicators suggesting that it will be repeated. Not wild "I'm not sure" or "I have no information but I will say it anyway" suck-a-sations.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cybercat View Post
    Let's hope they're right. In the mean time, is it so unreasonable for people with first-hand experience to have skepticism when history hasn't always shown the driver side of things to be all that pleasant? I mean you make it sound like any negative opinion is irrelevant. This isn't just a question of monitor support, it's in some portion a question of Crossfire support, which wasn't covered by those editors.
    It's been stated that CF doesn't work with Eyefinity at the moment but will come with driver updates. And I would assume all displays are compatible with showing what they are being told to show? It's not like one display knows what the others are showing...

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    At last, Samsung GDDR5. Hoping for nice memory OCs.
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    Have any pics been released for the 5850? Looking at the length of the 5870 I doubt it would fit in my case. Hope the 5850 is a little shorter. Case is lian li A05B.

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    Quote Originally Posted by largon View Post
    At last, Samsung GDDR5. Hoping for nice memory OCs.
    Largon, can you tell anything about the oc potential, or latency from the part numbers on the memory chips?



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    Quote Originally Posted by jaredpace View Post
    Largon, can you tell anything about the oc potential, or latency from the part numbers on the memory chips?



    Not when going above spec, since every IC will perform differently but you can at least see what specification they are and the bin.
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    Originally Posted by motown_steve
    Every genocide that was committed during the 20th century has been preceded by the disarmament of the target population. Once the government outlaws your guns your life becomes a luxury afforded to you by the state. You become a tool to benefit the state. Should you cease to benefit the state or even worse become an annoyance or even a hindrance to the state then your life becomes more trouble than it is worth.

    Once the government outlaws your guns your life is forfeit. You're already dead, it's just a question of when they are going to get around to you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by blindbox View Post
    From official AMD slides from the closed threads, it's 27 Watts.




    I wish Gautam had let this http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?p=4007933#post4007933 open instead of this one. Oh well, rain in the pictures again guys.
    Now these are really nice pictures... but I'm sure you're all dieing to hear about performance . I happen to know the numbers. From what I've been told (confidential source):

    5870 is 100% faster than 4870 (2x)
    5870 will surpass GTX295
    5850 will surpass GTX285

    Quote me on it. You'll see. You're welcome!

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    Radeon HD 5870 Eyefinity Edition Spotted
    Among the three main high-end graphics SKUs AMD has in store for this 23rd known so far (namely Radeon HD 5850, HD 5870 1GB, and HD 5870 2GB), is a fourth distinct SKU called the Radeon HD 5870 Eyefinity Edition. This is a variant of the Radeon HD 5870 with specially-designed connectivity that makes setting up to six displays possible/convenient for making use of the Eyefinity multi-display technology that lets you span a display-head across several physical displays like a mosaic.

    On its panel, the card has a large air-vent occupying one slot, and six mini-DisplayPort connectors occupying the other. Necessary cabling will be provided to connect to the displays. While each accelerator supports six displays in all, multiple accelerators can be installed on the same PC without any multi-GPU setup, to scale the size of the resulting display by up to 24 displays and up to 268 megapixels of effective resolution. It remains to be seen if there are similar Eyefinity Edition SKUs based on other AMD GPUs in the series, especially considering the fact that the company is also eying the business/productivity market segment ............
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    Quote Originally Posted by Odyssey96 View Post
    Now these are really nice pictures... but I'm sure you're all dieing to hear about performance . I happen to know the numbers. From what I've been told (confidential source):

    5870 is 100% faster than 4870 (2x)
    5870 will surpass GTX295
    5850 will surpass GTX285

    Quote me on it. You'll see. You're welcome!
    Thanks. however this is what we have been hearing all along so nothing new realy.

    also 5870 will need to be more than %100 faster than 4870 to surpass GTX295.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jaredpace View Post
    Largon, can you tell anything about the oc potential, or latency from the part numbers on the memory chips?



    Seems to be 0.4ns, 5.0Gbps (K4XXXXXXXX-XC04), Samsung Specs Here but not for sure ...
    Last edited by Olivon; 09-11-2009 at 03:34 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by G0ldBr1ck View Post
    Thanks. however this is what we have been hearing all along so nothing new realy.

    also 5870 will need to be more than %100 faster than 4870 to surpass GTX295.
    One more for ya.

    5870 x 2 is 12% faster than GTX295 Quad.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Odyssey96 View Post
    One more for ya.

    5870 x 2 is 12% faster than GTX295 Quad.
    Well if Odyssey96 says so it must be fact.
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