The ATI Radeon 5XXX Thread

[Chumbucket843]

We can say for sure that the 5870 X2 will cream the gt300. Nvidia was hoping this wouldnt be the case, as they believed the gt300 was still gonna be faster. They now know the only way to be on top is that they will have to release a gt300 x2 card. How much will this cost? I cant see this going for no less than around 1000.00$. Who in there right mind will drop that kind of cash to play a game you can already nearly max on a 4870 or 4850, hell you could buy a ps3 and a ton of games for that, or think off all the extra hardware you can buy going with just a mainstream card. The market isnt heading for top end "balls to wall" performance anymore, Its heading for how much performace can u give me for around 200-300$ + or -

People have a limit that they will pay. Look at consoles, they all cost roughly 300$, and If a new grfx card cost more than that I will just be better served getting a console and the library of game titles they offer. Look at how poorly the PS3 sales are for a 400$ system compared to the cheaper nearly identicle performance systems.

If I can score a DX11 high performace part for about the same cost as a slim ps3 (300$) Than thats what Ill buy, it is way more powerfull and future proof than the PS3. All these DX11 parts wont even begin to be utillized untill current consoles are replaced. All PC games are just DX9 ports anyways.

The real war between ATI and NVIDIA is in this mainstream category, this 300$ and less segment. ATI has a full lineup ready to push out the door. Nvidia only has a expensive GT300 parts that will cost probally 500$ and a X2 1000$, With all current GT200 parts that will then get a 40nm refresh and get rebranded as a new line up. These wont even show up till after Christmas. I myself am waiting till Christmas to get a new card, as its the only time of the year I can really afford to get something I really want. ATI has all this covered and that is what Im probally gonna get. Christmas hopefully will have aftermarket cards too I hope. When GT300 hits ATi will be releasing all there tweaked aftermarket parts to fight with also. Christmas is huge! If you miss Christmas you lose a lot of the market.

I wouldnt be surprised if the green empire collapses entirely

1. you can not be sure about any numbers or dates, even the ones you made up all by yourself. everything out there is rumours.
2. a real enthusiasts like to buy the most expensive hardware around
3. this sounds more like your budget, not the market

[zalbard]

We should have an official "The Best Rumour" contest.

[XS2K]

We can say for sure that the 5870 X2 will cream the gt300. Nvidia was hoping this wouldnt be the case, as they believed the gt300 was still gonna be faster. They now know the only way to be on top is that they will have to release a gt300 x2 card. How much will this cost? I cant see this going for no less than around 1000.00$.
I wouldnt be surprised if the green empire collapses entirely

LSD can be a powerfull drug

[Vit^pr0n]

1. you can not be sure about any numbers or dates, even the ones you made up all by yourself. everything out there is rumours.
2. a real enthusiasts like to buy the most expensive hardware around
3. this sounds more like your budget, not the market

Enthusiasts make up less than 1% of the market. Nvidia is not going to make money off of selling an expensive card like the GTX395 ( If that's what the name is going to be )

It looks like this gen is going to be a repeat of the last: Nvidia is sticking with big chips, while ATi sticks with smaller chips and doubling it up for enthusiast chips.

Just by looking at previous generations, a GTX380/385 should be 10-30% faster than the GTX295 but have the same price as the GTX280 when AFTER the first price drop when the 4800 series was released, which was $450 I believe?

Either way, ATi will be dropping their prices when Nvidia releases their next-gen cards.

That's just my speculation though.

[Sh1tyMcGee]

Most of these rumors seem to be BS to me, i think were all going to be fooled once the info comes out on the 10th.

[Vit^pr0n]

Most of these rumors seem to be BS to me, i think were all going to be fooled once the info comes out on the 10th.

Would be hilarious if the rumoured specs are actually lower than the real specs. Wishful thinking though

[~CS~]

I cannot believe there is still no real performance figures , am not sure how AMD managed it , makes you think there is more to it ....

[To(V)bo Co(V)bo]

1. you can not be sure about any numbers or dates, even the ones you made up all by yourself. everything out there is rumours.
2. a real enthusiasts like to buy the most expensive hardware around
3. this sounds more like your budget, not the market

A REAL ENTHUSIAST TAKES WHAT THEY CAN AFFORD AND MAX'S IT OUT.

getting a opty 165 over 3.0ghz priceless
volt-mod a 2900xt priceless
blowing up a celeron on dice priceless
running a amd k5 without heatsink till it pops priceless

some people buy old to blow up, thats what being EXTREME is

[Glow9]

Most of these rumors seem to be BS to me, i think were all going to be fooled once the info comes out on the 10th.

I find a lot of the rumors make more sense than the idiotic conclusions people come up with on here. Someone should chart: the rumors, the crap on here people come up with, then the end results. Just to show how idiotic some of this crap is.

[003]

They now know the only way to be on top is that they will have to release a gt300 x2 card. How much will this cost? I cant see this going for no less than around 1000.00$.

You're delusional if you think nvidia would charge $1000 for a GTX395.

[Sh1tyMcGee]

I find a lot of the rumors make more sense than the idiotic conclusions people come up with on here. Someone should chart: the rumors, the crap on here people come up with, then the end results. Just to show how idiotic some of this crap is.

That would be an interesting chart, hahaha

[Heinz68]

I don't believe the GTX 395 is going to be $1,000.00 on the the other hand the $829.00 MSRP for GTX 8800 Ultra was even more crazy.
http://www.techarp.com/showarticle.aspx?artno=403

[annihilat0r]

The 4870 prices were that good because at that time NVidia was practically dominating ATI, and GT200s and 4000s were released at approx. the same time so AMD/ATI had lots of reasons for going for a very competitive price. But now things are much better for both AMD and ATI, and NVidia's new parts don't come out till Q1 so all ATI has to do with pricing at this moment is to provide similar speeds NVidia's very high/highest end products (295) and price them considerably lower.

Even if the yields and costs were extraordinarily great AMD still has no reason to price a 5870 at $300. The price will be around $400 and I can't see it varying much at the launch by any stretch of imagination. Sure, after the GTX 300's come out it's going to be a different matter entirely, but that doesn't happen until at least a couple of months.

btw: daamn, I haven't been posting here for nearly one year! love product launch days, the GTX200 - HD4800 days were aaaaawesome!

[003]

NVidia's new parts don't come out till Q1

They are going to be out in November or December of 09.

[Redsand426]

It's wishful thinking to say that the new 5870 is going to outperform a gtx295. I just don't see a single card having that much power just yet. The performance will fall between a gtx 285 and the gtx 295, and same with the price. If I'm wrong then'll I'll eat my words and buy one.

[To(V)bo Co(V)bo]

Maybe not 1000$ but id think around 900$ for sure. Thats just for the X2 GT300. Yeah these are assumptions, but Im going off these numbers.

Ati 5870 will probally be close to 400$
so how much for the X2 5870? Im sure about double at launch 800$

GT300 probally will be close to 500$
X2 GT300 would be about double,1000$ (800$ if its a nutered die possibly)

The GT300 was designed to be competitive and better than the 5870X2, but rumors from BSN say that it is gonna end up a bit short. Thus forcing Nvidia to produce the GT300X2 (GTX395). From what Ive read Nvidia is only gonna make a 40nm refresh of current GT200b cores to fill thier lineup. GT300 is gonna be only one single part and not have partly disabled cores like a GTX 260 was from the GT200 core. So by this reasoning I can see a hugely expensive 900~1000$ part.

You also have to remember, who ever has the spoils of the fastest card gets to overprice thier top end parts. (NVIDIA TAX)
Look at the gtx285 for 350$, how much faster is it really when compaired to a 4890? is it 150$ more faster. not even close

[orangekiwii]

I think the gtx300 will fall about 20% behind the 5870x2

if the 5870 is about 95% of a gtx295 then a 5870x2 would be about 160% of a gtx295...

current specs for gtx300 place it around 40% faster than a gtx295...


if and when nvidia releases a gtx395 it basically HAS to be faster than the 5870x2 or nvidia fails horribly and i'm never buying from them again just because they sat on their ass for 3 + years

[Xoulz]

Maybe not 1000$ but id think around 900$ for sure. Thats just for the X2 GT300. Yeah these are assumptions, but Im going off these numbers.

Ati 5870 will probally be close to 400$
so how much for the X2 5870? Im sure about double at launch 800$

GT300 probally will be close to 500$
X2 GT300 would be about double,1000$ (800$ if its a nutered die possibly)

The GT300 was designed to be competitive and better than the 5870X2, but rumors from BSN say that it is gonna end up a bit short. Thus forcing Nvidia to produce the GT300X2 (GTX395). From what Ive read Nvidia is only gonna make a 40nm refresh of current GT200b cores to fill thier lineup. GT300 is gonna be only one single part and not have partly disabled cores like a GTX 260 was from the GT200 core. So by this reasoning I can see a hugely expensive 900~1000$ part.

You also have to remember, who ever has the spoils of the fastest card gets to overprice thier top end parts. (NVIDIA TAX)
Look at the gtx285 for 350$, how much faster is it really when compaired to a 4890? is it 150$ more faster. not even close

Dude, lay off teh bad weed... the 5870 will debute at $369 and be $299 by Xmas!

[570091D]

We should have an official "The Best Rumour" contest.

we could just have this thread re-named....


i really can't see anyone charging more than $800 for a gfx card this year, current economic conditions just don't support this.

[ajaidev]

I think hamburgers can see the future, i'll just eat one and tell who will win the 5870 x2 or gt300.

[To(V)bo Co(V)bo]

Well I really hope Im wrong!

[Sly Fox]

Well I really hope Im wrong!

Well shortly after release I recall the 8800 Ultra going for ~$900 USD in multiple shops. So assuming a dual GPU G300 chip would be utterly and completely dominant by a wide margin... It could happen.

Seems kinda unlikely to me that ATI will let themselves be caught with their pants down yet again though. But who knows.

[Smartidiot89]

They are going to be out in November or December of 09.

Yupp yupp, full stocks everywhere, it will be fully available to everyone and their mother who wants one

november/december it will "hit the market" ie. reviewers and the in very limited quantities around the globe - we can compare this "launch" to HD4770. January/February will have it's real launch.

[Barys]

Don`t you think if there are GT300 samples already done there should be some performance leaks this week ? Or maybe some people know some interesting numbers.

[flopper]

november/december it will "hit the market" ie. reviewers and the in very limited quantities around the globe - we can compare this "launch" to HD4770. January/February will have it's real launch.

that is also best case scenario without any re-spins and having good yeilds.