Intel's 34nm NAND SSDs launch in two weeks

[Boogerlad]

so vertexes don't degrade anymore? the sequential writes are now 150mb/sec even at worst case scenario?

[cx-ray]

Well i had the same problems as cx-ray, i fixed my problems with removing my ssd's and leave them out for a few minutes after i used hdderase.
The problem was not only in sleep mode, it also removed the RAID after the PC was turned off.
Now im running my G2's in RAID without problems anymore, so i keep my fingers crossed.
Thanks for the help guys.

It looks like mine are running well now too again. I didn't disconnect them, but did power down my pc when setting everything up after the BSOD. Perhaps the drives reinitialize something after a complete power cycle?

[Rhys]

so vertexes don't degrade anymore? the sequential writes are now 150mb/sec even at worst case scenario?

No the vertex's do degrade, just as the x25 does, and both work differently at resolving the issue.

The x25-m tries to defrag it's self on the fly, but it is dependant that you are not constantly writing tiny files. If you have been particularly hard on your x25-m you can write a few large files a few times and you will begin to see improvement, you can keep doing this until your drive is in good shape again.

The Vertex defrags itself when it is relatively idle, this does a very good job at keeping the drives in almost perfect condition but you need to let the drive sit for a little while. We are currently expecting a newer firmware that can defrag an extremely (few Iometer runs) used vertex in 8 minutes. This means that the drive is defraging fast enough that you don't need to give it any idle time, yet don't have to worry about the type of files your working on either.

[CrimInalA]

Will trim work on 2x160gb G2 intel SSD's in raid 0 in windows 7 ?
Is anything known about it yet ?

[aehmkei]

Trim doesn't work in an regular raid 0 array - only if it is supported by the controller (firmware/software).
http://www.ocztechnologyforum.com/fo...ad.php?t=56307

[CrimInalA]

Trim doesn't work in an regular raid 0 array - only if it is supported by the controller (firmware/software).
http://www.ocztechnologyforum.com/fo...ad.php?t=56307

Ok then let's hope intel releases drivers for their onboard ICH controllers that support tim in raid . Like SOON

[MoMo_RT]

How much of a speed boost does Raid 0 actually give to SSD drives or is it mostly for size increase?

[lowfat]

How much of a speed boost does Raid 0 actually give to SSD drives or is it mostly for size increase?

W/ ICH10R? I have found almost zero increase.

[JohnZS]

NEW FIRMWARE UPDATE FOR GEN2 X-25M CAN BE FOUND HERE
Sadly no release notes and no update for Gen1 drives
Firmware version is 80902G. (for Gen2) and the 8820 for Gen1 (it's all on the same ISO)
EDIT I have the release notes.

X18-M/X25-M (34nm product) Revision History
Date Revision Description
10 August 2009 2CV102G9 This firmware revision is for X25-M 34nm products only (X18-M 34nm products do not require this firmware update) and fixes the following two issues:

1) System hangs with BIOS drive password enabled

2) System inoperable when BIOS drive password disabled or changed

For updates and complete information on known issues see:
http://www.intel.com/support/ssdc/hpssd/x25m/


X18-M/25-M (50nm product) Revision History
Date Revision Description
10 August 2009 No change No change for 50nm products. The most current firmware stays at 045C8820
13 April 2009 045C8820 This firmware revision has several continuous improvement optimizations intended to provide the best possible user experience with the Intel SSD

John

[cx-ray]

Thanks for the link. I got both my 160G2 drives updated without loss of data and RAID 0 functionality.

Once small caveat, on my R2E mobo BIOS v1504 it appears that the Intel firmware update tool only detected the SSD drives on SATA port 1&2.

[Earzz]

Thanks for the link. I got both my 160G2 drives updated without loss of data and RAID 0 functionality.

Yep same here with 2x 80GB G2's no problems @ all.
No performance increase but i didnt expect any, thx for the link John.

[JohnZS]

No problem guys
Keep your eyes pealed on incoming firmware updates, no ETA as of yet, but X-25E is due to have an update fairly soon
John

[Brahmzy]

How much of a speed boost does Raid 0 actually give to SSD drives or is it mostly for size increase?

W/ ICH10R? I have found almost zero increase.

SSDs are just like any other storage concerning RAID0, only faster and even more efficient scaling than mechanical disks. There can be zero noticable gains and there can be virtually double performance gains. It all depends on how you use your storage.

I benefit greatly from RAID0 performance with what I do, others may not.

The ICH10R is a great controller for RAID0.

[chuxle]

according to ZipZoomFly, G2 ETA is 8-15

[aamsel]

according to ZipZoomFly, G2 ETA is 8-15

Wonder if/when Newegg will update theirs, currently set to 8-28?

[Earzz]

Ok then let's hope intel releases drivers for their onboard ICH controllers that support tim in raid . Like SOON

Read guys.

http://www.ocztechnologyforum.com/fo...ad.php?t=60874

Tony from OCZ found something interesting about the Intel ICH* chipsets, RAID and TRIM.
I got a bit more hope now about TRIM and RAID
Now hopefully Intel will release the TRIM FW quickly.

[MoMo_RT]

according to ZipZoomFly, G2 ETA is 8-15

The dates for most other sites have been getting pushed back.

NewEgg also removed their 160GB G2

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16820167017

[Rhys]

The dates for most other sites have been getting pushed back.

NewEgg also removed their 160GB G2

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16820167017

I cancelled my order figuring it's probably better to wait for the new sata 3.0 SSD's now.

[labs23]

Rhys

Any idea when those drives will hit the market? I mean supposed timetable? Maybe 6 mos. from now?

[lowfat]

Rhys

Any idea when those drives will hit the market? I mean supposed timetable? Maybe 6 mos. from now?

I have my doubts. I doubt we'll even see any decent 6 Gbps SATA controllers by then.

I haven't seen any talk of ONFi 2.0 drives AFAIK.

[labs23]

Too bad if that's case.

But I'll still be optimistic for SATA 6Gbps though, since the G2 drives refresh is scheduled at 1H 2010.
Its best for the newer drives(Intel's) to have 6Gbps by then.

[Rhys]

Rhys

Any idea when those drives will hit the market? I mean supposed timetable? Maybe 6 mos. from now?

From what I can remember from reading an article the next gen indilinx (aka 'jet stream') controller is scheduled to be released in about 6 months.

Obviously delays can happen, but I would rather stick with a couple of vertex's for now and then spend my money on drives that may actually make a difference.

AMD should have sata 3.0 support for their sb800 chipset (apparently it's pretty damn fast) before the end of the year, and Intel mobo's should have sata 3.0 support from 3rd party chips until ICH11R comes some time in 2010

[XS Janus]

I would only trust gardware card to be out for sata 3.0 and really work of the bat. Even intel chipset would definetly have to prove itself dependable again... and AMD... well I wouldn't touch first few gen of those controllers wit a 6ft. pole... such a great track record they have

[Rhys]

AMD... well I wouldn't touch first few gen of those controllers wit a 6ft. pole... such a great track record they have

Maybe but I will wait and see. SB750 chip sets currently offer excellent IOPS compared to ICH10R but has terrible throughput.

[Ao1]

According to Intel's Product Manager “in 2010, when SATA 3 comes in at 6Gbps, we’re obviously looking at products which will even saturate that bus. So, higher capacities, better performance, including some other value props we have in terms of making the system better.”
That was stated in a blog in September 08. http://blog.laptopmag.com/intel-prod...ger-talks-ssds

Why did Intel get into SSD? Because HDD was a bottleneck that was threatening the growth of faster cpu’s. I would not be surprised if a G3 comes out quite quickly once SATA 3 is available with a supporting Intel board.