Just quoting anandtech on the G1 x25-m review, I'm not stating a personal opinion, but I did not make that clear. Are you getting confused between the vertex and x25-M on cache?Originally Posted by Rhys
Just quoting anandtech on the G1 x25-m review, I'm not stating a personal opinion, but I did not make that clear. Are you getting confused between the vertex and x25-M on cache?
Is this not the problem the J-Microns have with their 16kb cache?
I just don't believe an x25-m wouldn't stutter if it only had 16kb of cache resources to use.
Are you Intel's Btch?
I´m not Napalm, but i´m using almost the same controler (ARC-1261ML).
I´ve running Kingston KVR533D2E4/2G (2GB ECC) on this controller
heres the last vid on this 1231/4x slc jmicron "fiasco/bickering/etc"
100-app loadup: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KFnAV53-1nE
you can considerate it as a slow loadup
kernel paging disabled.. my guess 4-5 seconds less if enabled
i just dont have the time to try/confirm so ill leave it at that
100-app.bat:
start "" "C:\Apps\ATTObench32.exe"
start "" "C:\Apps\Core Temp.exe"
start "" "C:\Apps\cpuz.exe"
start "" "C:\Apps\CUDA-Z-0.4.74.exe"
start "" "C:\Apps\cwshredder.exe"
start "" "C:\Apps\DiskMark.exe"
start "" "C:\Apps\fctest.exe"
start "" "C:\Apps\Fritz Chess Benchmark.exe"
start "" "C:\Apps\GPU-Z.0.3.4.exe"
start "" "C:\Apps\HiJackThis.exe"
start "" "C:\Apps\NiBiTor.exe"
start "" "C:\Apps\oZone3D_SurfaceDeformer_Benchmark.exe "
start "" "C:\Apps\RBE_121.exe"
start "" "C:\Apps\RootkitBuster.exe"
start "" "C:\Apps\super_pi_mod.exe"
start "" "C:\Apps\TeamViewer_Setup.exe"
start "" "C:\Cinebench10\Cinebench10.exe"
start "" "C:\Fraps\fraps.exe"
start "" "C:\Documents and Settings\Administrator\Local Settings\Application Data\Google\Chrome\Application\chrome.exe"
start "" "C:\Program Files\7-Zip\7zFM.exe"
start "" "C:\Program Files\Adobe\Reader 9.0\Reader\AcroRd32.exe"
start "" "C:\Program Files\Areca Technology Corp\Http Proxy Server Service\ArcHttpSrvGUI.exe"
start "" "C:\Program Files\Avira\AntiVir Desktop\avcenter.exe"
start "" "C:\Program Files\Avira\AntiVir Desktop\avconfig.exe"
start "" "C:\Program Files\Avira\AntiVir Desktop\setup.exe"
start "" "C:\Program Files\CCleaner\CCleaner.exe"
start "" "C:\Program Files\CyberLink\PowerDVD9\PowerDVD9.exe"
start "" "C:\Program Files\DivX\DivX Player\DivX Player.exe"
start "" "C:\Program Files\DVD Shrink\DVD Shrink 3.2.exe"
start "" "C:\Program Files\Eraser\Eraser.exe"
start "" "C:\Program Files\EVGA Precision\EVGAPrecision.exe"
start "" "C:\Program Files\FastStone Photo Resizer\FSResizer.exe"
start "" "C:\Program Files\foobar2000\foobar2000.exe"
start "" "C:\Program Files\GIMP-2.0\bin\gimp-2.6.exe"
start "" "C:\Program Files\GIMP-2.0\bin\gimp-console-2.6.exe"
start "" "C:\Program Files\HT OMEGA CLARO\Advance\DLL\CmiCnfgP.cpl"
start "" "C:\Program Files\ImgBurn\ImgBurn.exe"
start "" "C:\Program Files\ImgBurn\ImgBurnPreview.exe"
start "" "C:\Program Files\Internet Explorer\IEXPLORE.EXE"
start "" "C:\Program Files\Iometer.org\Iometer 2006.07.27\Iometer.exe"
start "" "C:\Program Files\Lightsmark 2008\bin\win32\Lightsmark2008.exe"
start "" "C:\Program Files\MadOnion.com\3DMark2001 SE\3DMark2001SE.exe"
start "" "C:\Program Files\Mozilla Firefox\firefox.exe"
start "" "C:\Program Files\mozilla.org\SeaMonkey\seamonkey.exe"
start "" "C:\Program Files\nLite\nLite.exe"
start "" "C:\Program Files\OpenOffice.org 3\program\sdraw.exe"
start "" "C:\Program Files\OpenOffice.org 3\program\simpress.exe"
start "" "C:\Program Files\OpenOffice.org 3\program\smath.exe"
start "" "C:\Program Files\Opera 10 Beta\opera.exe"
start "" "C:\Program Files\RivaTuner v2.24\RivaTuner.exe"
start "" "C:\Program Files\Safari\Safari.exe"
start "" "C:\Program Files\Skype\Phone\Skype.exe"
start "" "C:\Program Files\VideoLAN\VLC\vlc.exe"
start "" "C:\Program Files\Winamp\winamp.exe"
start "" "C:\Program Files\Windows Media Player\wmplayer.exe"
start "" "C:\Program Files\Windows NT\Accessories\wordpad.exe"
start "" "C:\Program Files\WinRAR\WinRAR.exe"
start "" "C:\Program Files\Wise Registry Cleaner\WiseRegistryCleaner.exe"
start "" "C:\Program Files\Yahoo!\Messenger\YahooMessenger.exe"
start "" "C:\WINDOWS\system32\appwiz.cpl"
start "" "C:\WINDOWS\system32\bootvrfy.exe"
start "" "C:\WINDOWS\system32\calc.exe"
start "" "C:\WINDOWS\system32\cmd.exe"
start "" "C:\WINDOWS\system32\cmdlib.wsc"
start "" "C:\WINDOWS\system32\compmgmt.msc"
start "" "C:\WINDOWS\system32\control.exe"
start "" "C:\WINDOWS\system32\desk.cpl"
start "" "C:\WINDOWS\system32\devmgmt.msc"
start "" "C:\WINDOWS\system32\dfrg.msc"
start "" "C:\WINDOWS\system32\diskmgmt.msc"
start "" "C:\WINDOWS\system32\diskpart.exe"
start "" "C:\WINDOWS\system32\dxdiag.exe"
start "" "C:\WINDOWS\system32\fsmgmt.msc"
start "" "C:\WINDOWS\system32\hdwwiz.cpl"
start "" "C:\WINDOWS\system32\inetcpl.cpl"
start "" "C:\WINDOWS\system32\intl.cpl"
start "" "C:\WINDOWS\system32\label.exe"
start "" "C:\WINDOWS\system32\main.cpl"
start "" "C:\WINDOWS\system32\mmc.exe"
start "" "C:\WINDOWS\system32\mmsys.cpl"
start "" "C:\WINDOWS\system32\mplay32.exe"
start "" "C:\WINDOWS\system32\msconfig.exe"
start "" "C:\WINDOWS\system32\msiexec.exe"
start "" "C:\WINDOWS\system32\mspaint.exe"
start "" "C:\WINDOWS\system32\notepad.exe"
start "" "C:\WINDOWS\system32\ntimage.gif"
start "" "C:\WINDOWS\system32\nvcplui.exe"
start "" "C:\WINDOWS\system32\powercfg.cpl"
start "" "C:\WINDOWS\system32\regedt32.exe"
start "" "C:\WINDOWS\system32\sc.exe"
start "" "C:\WINDOWS\system32\services.msc"
start "" "C:\WINDOWS\system32\sigverif.exe"
start "" "C:\WINDOWS\system32\sndvol32.exe"
start "" "C:\WINDOWS\system32\sysdm.cpl"
start "" "C:\WINDOWS\system32\taskmgr.exe"
start "" "C:\WINDOWS\system32\timedate.cpl"
start "" "C:\WINDOWS\system32\userinit.exe"
start "" "C:\WINDOWS\system32\verifier.exe"
start "" "C:\WINDOWS\system32\winver.exe"
start "" "C:\WINDOWS\system32\wmimgmt.msc"
Last edited by NapalmV5; 07-31-2009 at 04:55 PM.
you are saying its bs
took two days to do the 100-app.. i only got so much time.. installing all the apps/doing testing the app.bat/taking vid/uploading.. takes whole lot of time
ok i got the 100app going now.. i can add cod4 cod5 and loadem up like the peanuts they are.. and i can show you the system booting with the giga ep45 extreme/areca 1231 512mb and doing all the loadups after booting.. but you guys still wont be satisfied/wont believe it
you guys then will say that somehow i sped up the vid.. all the vids ive posted are raw and unedited.. not one frame deleted/added/modified/anything
give me a good reason to spend anymore of my time on this.. all i get is insults/"shenanigans"
unfortunately/sadly even here @ xs some dont have any knowledge/understanding of storage systems
Would it be possible to integrate the boot up timer script Rhys posted with your .bat file? If possible it would give the time it takes to do a complete restart, boot and 100 app load with a single click and time it for you.
I would be most curious in that.
Also if you would post a video of that kind of script at work, from the begining to the end... I think people should be satisfied!
Napalm, I just want to be 100% sure, as you know the old saying "If it looks too good to be true it probably isn't".you are saying its bs
took two days to do the 100-app.. i only got so much time.. installing all the apps/doing testing the app.bat/taking vid/uploading.. takes whole lot of time
ok i got the 100app going now.. i can add cod4 cod5 and loadem up like the peanuts they are.. and i can show you the system booting with the giga ep45 extreme/areca 1231 512mb and doing all the loadups after booting.. but you guys still wont be satisfied/wont believe it
you guys then will say that somehow i sped up the vid.. all the vids ive posted are raw and unedited.. not one frame deleted/added/modified/anything
give me a good reason to spend anymore of my time on this.. all i get is insults/"shenanigans"
unfortunately/sadly even here @ xs some dont have any knowledge/understanding of storage systems
I don't think you can blame us for wanting to rule out the possibility of any shenanigan's if the results buck the trend of our current logic of storage systems, because I don't want to go out and spend big $/£ on a card that someone 'could' have inflated it's performance.
You see we can't always trust what we see on the other end of a modem as no one is perfect, and I can't ignore the temptation/motive to inflate the size of one's e-peen.
All this time I have been hoping I was wrong....... I just need to believe I am.
I know it takes time, and I already appreciate what you have done so far, But I think what would help erase the seed of doubt is if you did the following:
With you new HD cam, Film the whole thing by hand, i.e. you pressing the power button, waiting for Bios to post, getting to desktop, running the bat file and COD4/5 and then possibly even the script I posted that times your restart time.
If you did it like this then I doubt anyone could accuse you of any shenanigans etc. and quite simply you will then definitely have the fasted system the vast majority of us have seen, if not all.
Are you Intel's B
+1Would it be possible to integrate the boot up timer script Rhys posted with your .bat file? If possible it would give the time it takes to do a complete restart, boot and 100 app load with a single click and time it for you.
I would be most curious in that.
Also if you would post a video of that kind of script at work, from the begining to the end... I think people should be satisfied!
Napalm,
I believe you right now, but I would love to see the entire thing including the power on/boot process. It's time to see how long that Areca takes to initialize!
Last edited by Spoiler; 08-01-2009 at 04:47 AM. Reason: spelling
MainGamer PC----Intel Core i7 - 6GB Corsair 1600 DDR3 - Foxconn Bloodrage - ATI 6950 Modded - Areca 1880ix-12 - 2 x 120GB G.Skill Phoenix SSD - 2 x 80GB Intel G2 - Lian LI PCA05 - Seasonic M12D 850W PSU
MovieBox----Intel E8400 - 2x 4GB OCZ 800 DDR2 - Asus P5Q Deluxe - Nvidia GTS 250 - 2x30GB OCZ Vertex - 40GB Intel X25-V - 60GB OCZ Agility- Lian LI PCA05 - Corsair 620W PSU
Hi Napalm. I just watched your cod loading time. Insane! Out of interest have you tried any other ssd's with your raid card?
^^^Hey Napalm, what RAM you're using the ARS-1231? 1GB, 512Mb? ECC-NonECC?
Great results as always mate.
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Intensealso @ alvin
thanks guys
Last edited by NapalmV5; 08-01-2009 at 12:49 PM.
im using the 512 here:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...ame=Unbuffered
single sided 512/dual sided 1gb and 2gb work but not the current single sided 1gb @ newegg
new firmware will probably remedy that
no these jcraps are the first and only ssds
can you guys imagine 4x x25e ?
what are you guys gonna say when you see vids of that ??
Humm nice so it uses DDR2 then :p
They will say is too good to be true bogus man!no these jcraps are the first and only ssds
can you guys imagine 4x x25e ?
what are you guys gonna say when you see vids of that ??
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If you film it by hand and start from when you power on the machine, I don't think anyone could really 'call bogus'!no these jcraps are the first and only ssds
can you guys imagine 4x x25e ?
what are you guys gonna say when you see vids of that ??
You see other raid cards hinder performance, Your benchmark performance isn't the fasted, but your video's show it is pretty much the fasted Nand (possibly Ram also) based SSD's.
What's the issue with filming it in such a way that we can be sure it's legit?
Heck even if you say "I told you so" in the Video! Lol
Are you Intel's B
Edit the boot timer script with app load commands,guys, come on!
I don't need it for proof, just for the fact!
^ lol
well for whatevers worth..
100 app COD4 COD5 @ 1920x1080 loadups
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YYlOi1Hp9Fk
hope it answers Qs.. puts some doubts to rest.. but i doubt it
anyways this hd cam is total junk.. keeps refocusing/adjusting @ black and white screens like crazy.. ive tried manual/auto/lower rez i cant get it steady
Last edited by NapalmV5; 08-01-2009 at 05:09 PM.
Napalm I’m wondering if the raw throughput ability of the early generation drives in combination with the 1231 hard raid is actually a better set up than what might be obtained with new gen drives? I could lend you 2 x25-e’s when my G2 arrives if you could find another 2 to experiment with. Only two conditions. One, I get them backTwo, I can see a video of your pc from boot up to game launching. Deal?
Nice vid, Napalm! Thanks...
turning off all those apps, looks tiresome, I wouldn't have the nerves.
You need a shutdown script to run in parallel!
And maybe one of these new LSI cards under your Christmas tree: http://www.lsichannelgateway.com/new.../20090728.html "performance with up to 2.88 GB/s in sequential reads and 1.87 GB/s in sequential writes"
Great work Napalm!
You have a great system there. How about doing a short video of your system boot -cold boot please? No need for the 100 app loading in the video.
MainGamer PC----Intel Core i7 - 6GB Corsair 1600 DDR3 - Foxconn Bloodrage - ATI 6950 Modded - Areca 1880ix-12 - 2 x 120GB G.Skill Phoenix SSD - 2 x 80GB Intel G2 - Lian LI PCA05 - Seasonic M12D 850W PSU
MovieBox----Intel E8400 - 2x 4GB OCZ 800 DDR2 - Asus P5Q Deluxe - Nvidia GTS 250 - 2x30GB OCZ Vertex - 40GB Intel X25-V - 60GB OCZ Agility- Lian LI PCA05 - Corsair 620W PSU
MegaRAID SAS 9260-8i:
Would be nice to see if they outperform the 1231ML's cause they cost half the price!
Reviews please!
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Must say a lot of you guys seems all winded up over high end raid controllers, but are they really that great when we are talking a normal raid 0 configuration compaired to onboard raid? In most benchmark tests I have seen they don't seem more than 5-10% faster. Of course in benchmark tests thats all great but is it something people would notice in daily computer use?
If Napalms results are legit, then yes it would be VERY noticeable as in load times cut in half over an x25.
Benchmarks tell a different story however, and say the raid should 'actually' be worse. Hence why I was pushing for a video recording of the whole process including power on, boot up etc. so I could be confident that HIGH END Areca raid cards do in fact speed things up rather than slow them down.
Are you Intel's B
the vertex stuttered even with the huge 64mb cache before different firmware came out according the the anandtech review.
you can send me 4x x25e if you want and still you guys wont believe how fast cod4 loadup is right after bootupNapalm I’m wondering if the raw throughput ability of the early generation drives in combination with the 1231 hard raid is actually a better set up than what might be obtained with new gen drives? I could lend you 2 x25-e’s when my G2 arrives if you could find another 2 to experiment with. Only two conditions. One, I get them back
100 more vids wont be enough
i dont care if everyone @ xs instead believes that me/my systems/all the results i ever posted/all the vids now/everything napalm is all big pile of BS.. i could care less
funny thing is i am in the same boat with you guys just finding out just how suky (even acards) your systems are.. i knew my systems fast but damn..
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